Originally posted by darthgoober
Draining radiation isn't radiation based energy exploitation... OK Abhi.
Are you really this dense? Is Surfer gonna drain kryptonite from Superman by this example?
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are talking about creating kryptonite or red sun radiation and your want to use a feat of Surfer draining gamma radiation out of Hulk to show Surfer can do it?Are you really this dense? Is Surfer gonna drain kryptonite from Superman by this example?
Originally posted by darthgoober
First thing is first, does draining away radiation count as radiation based weakness exploitation in combat or not?
Bombarding Hulk with gamma rays would be radiation based weakness exploitation.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No. It's called energy draining and that is not even close to creating kryptonite or red sun radiation as you claim. A similar thing would be creating gamma rays to turn hulk back into Banner which Captain Marvel tried.Bombarding Hulk with gamma rays would be radiation based weakness exploitation.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt's possible I misremembered the sequence of events during JLA/Avengers which is banned from discussion here on KMC. But go ahead and identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart. Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes.
No, the characters didn't start fading until Spectre forced the both universes apart.
It's not crucial to my overall position but we might as well definitively resolve any such ancillary arguments (that are in violation of KMC rules) because, yknow, you would be upset that we didn't, yea?
Originally posted by abhilegendIs the Infinity Gauntlet in this vs. thread? Re-read the thread OP and re-read what I actually posted.
Infinity Gauntlet literally shattered pushing a universe away lol. Not the feat you want to pick up lol.
I mean, it's arguable that Living Tribunal's casual *snap* >>>>>> 616 IG =/= pushing two universes away due to systemic Multiversal collapse =/= Spectre pushing two universes away after they've already started separating.
But exploring any such comparison requires us both to recognize KMC rules. And even if we both agree to arbitrarily disregard them, it requires us both to recognize what actually happened during JLA/Avengers. One step at a time, as it were.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It's not like it's the first instance of Spectre separating two universes.
Why you cannot focus on that is beyond me. Because that would be undeniably constructive and not against KMC forum rules. But, whatever. We have to tediously dismantle everything that violates KMC rules before we get to the actual meat of any constructive argument here.
Proceed.
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I'll narrow down my tl;dr post to simply asking you to identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart. Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes.
If you aren't interested in discussing this any longer, fair enough. No snark/sarcasm.
Originally posted by ODG
?????I'll narrow down my tl;dr post to simply asking you to identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart. Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes.
If you aren't interested in discussing this any longer, fair enough. No snark/sarcasm.
The chronal chaos wasn't done by Krona.
Moreover Eternity/Kismet were imprisoned by Krona.
The heroes had to transport themselves back to their respective universes (nobody faded back to their reality) AFTER Spectre forcefully separated Eternity and Kismet.
This is straightforward storytelling, are you still confused? The scene was a direct homage to Spectre separating universes as confirmed by the writer in the complete omnibus of the comic.
If you still can't grasp something like this, it's on you, not the comic.
I'll narrow down my tl;dr post to simply asking you to identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart. Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes.
Originally posted by abhilegendWere you right or wrong on this???? You have all the scans apparently, so just tell me the pages.
No, the characters didn't start fading until Spectre forced the both universes
Your backhanded insults which are apparently meant to deflect from responding directly to my honest question do not amount to constructive discussion.
If you aren't interested in discussing this any longer in a constructive manner, fair enough. No snark/sarcasm.
Please just identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart. Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes.
Originally posted by abhilegendWere you right or wrong on this???? You have all the scans apparently, so just tell me the pages.
No, the characters didn't start fading until Spectre forced the both universes
Originally posted by ODG
Please just identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart. Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes. Were you right or wrong on this???? You have all the scans apparently, so just tell me the pages.
I straight up posted all the scans, are you just going to repeat this nonsense?
Please just identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart.
Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes.
You have all the scans apparently, so just tell me the pages.
This will resolve your initial retort to me:
Originally posted by abhilegendThen we can move on.
the characters didn't start fading until Spectre forced the both universes answer whether
Originally posted by ODG
Please just identify the first page where we see Spectre forcing the universes apart.Then identify the first page(s) where all the displaced characters were beginning to fade away to their respective universes.
You have all the scans apparently, so just tell me the pages.
This will resolve your initial retort to me: Then we can move on.
Two pages later, JLA and Avengers themselves transport each other to their universes.
The chronal chaos brought characters AFTER the universes were merged and those characters faded away BEFORE Spectre forced the universes were separated.
^ What garbage image hosting site is that? It's been whole minutes and they still haven't loaded.
Either way, you insisted the "characters didn't start fading until Spectre forced the both universes.." I kept needling you to post the actual pages.
The heroes started fading away as soon as Krona's machine was destroyed by Hawkeye:
Only afterwards did Hal Spectre force the universes apart:
So I guess you were just lying. Given that you were scanning pages of the very same comic concurrently with me to some sh1t image-hosting site. You were lying about comics that you must've known I could easily access. Not surprised.
Why did you feel compelled to lie about a simple sequence of events in a comic that we both can read? Did you hope I wouldn't have access to the comic itself? What is the point of you?
You've lost all shame. You've lost all credibility. But while that may be important to any typical KMC poster who wants to constructively discuss comics, it's inconsequential to you.
Because it seems your entire existence here on KMC is to demand attention of your own warped sensibilities. You're ironically succeeding in that but likely not the way you want. Because you keep protesting and acting dismayed when KMC continually points out how worthlessly cringe you are.
That's your fault. Nuff said.
The chronal stuff is separate from the separation of the universes.
Characters that didnt exist anymore were appearing in that storyline, or some characters were changing to older variations or just older versions appearing as well. All of that was fixing.
But, characters went back to their universe after Hal split them.
e.g; Hal Jordan Green Lantern was fighting alongside them. Then Hal Jordan The Spectre showed up.