Originally posted by tkitna
He beat Xavier in a psychic duel. I mean, what more do you want here?
Doesnt mean he can control people telepathically. It does mean he is powerful enough mentally to defeat a strong telepath in a fight between minds. Could well be a passive power, not an offensive capability. He does have some form of mentally influencing people when he turns them into horsemen with his tech.
Originally posted by tkitna
He beat Xavier in a psychic duel. I mean, what more do you want here?
Doesnt mean he can control people telepathically. It does mean he is powerful enough mentally to defeat a strong telepath in a fight between minds. Could well be a passive power, not an offensive capability. He does have some form of mentally influencing people when he turns them into horsemen.
I thought Ego wanted to sleep but needed assistance to do so as he was a sentinent being. I could be wrong admittingly and would need to rewatch.
As for Mantis, my point was Xavier or some telepath of that ilk could shut her down before she could mount an attack making her useless, but that has no bearing in this fight at all so it means nothing.
Also to be honest, I haven't watched the Apoc film in a long time either, but beating Xavier in a psychic battle is impressive. I don't know if he actually controlled peoples minds in the film without rewatching, but I assume he can. Yes, thats just an assumption without watching again to know.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceiSpZO-nRc
His eyes shift, but he never moves at QS speed. He uses TK or Matter manipulation to trip QS up. Doesn't even move a hand.
This is questionable. He does seem to adapt to Quicksilvers speed perception wise here. He couldn't even see him previously and then saw him as running in slow motion and slow enough that he easily could grab him with his matter manipulation. The question remains though if he could have physically moved that fast himself. His eyes did though, so who knows.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceiSpZO-nRc
His eyes shift, but he never moves at QS speed. He uses TK or Matter manipulation to trip QS up. Doesn't even move a hand.
This is what I stated.
Originally posted by h1a8
He was completely statued at the start. Quicksilver hit him a billion times before his perception speed adapted to Quicksilver's level. Then, in every other scene in the movie, he operated with normal human-level perception (before and after that scene).
Originally posted by tkitnaEgo couldn't even put himself to sleep lol.
Ego willingly wanted to sleep though so is that really a good feat? *shrug*
She also has to have physical touch for her powers to work and they target the persons emotional state. Thats why she struggled with Thanos. He was determined to obtain the gems for his purpose with nothing else.
So the point went over your head.
I'm comparing the EFFECT of their powers, and Mantis' powers function through physical touch.
The point being If Thanos can resist Mantis who has the better feat, Then Apoc shouldn't be a problem even though said Apoc has never even mind controlled anyone in his career.
Apoc is so overhyped.
I say Thanos cuts him in half IMO.
Originally posted by ThinkererHe wasn't even using it, Whenever he used the stones, they glow. The stones weren't glowing.
Thanos had Infinity Gems. They are miles above Ego's power.
The gloves were almost out of his hand, IM and Spidey had almost pulled it out.
Infact Mantis literally said "he's very strong"(referring to his mind)
But let's assume he would have used the stones, which one? The mind stone would have prolly countered Mantis but he hadn't gotten it yet.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
The mind stone would have prolly countered Mantis but he hadn't gotten it yet.
Yeah he didn't have the mind stone.
I don't know, but Apoc has way more versatile powers that should be able to handle any walking brick in my opinion. I mean it took the Phoenix to take him down. To each their own I suppose.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
Correction on my part: Thanos didn't straight up overpower Mantis, she was interrupted by Peter hitting Thanos and although she tried gaining back control, Thanos was already recovering.That wouldn't change the outcome of the fight though.
You are right here. Mantis had Thanos, but never total control. They couldn't even wrestle the glove from him while it was happening.
Originally posted by Thinkerer
Doesnt mean he can control people telepathically. It does mean he is powerful enough mentally to defeat a strong telepath in a fight between minds. Could well be a passive power, not an offensive capability. He does have some form of mentally influencing people when he turns them into horsemen with his tech.
Kind of a stretch tbh.
Originally posted by tkitna
This is questionable. He does seem to adapt to Quicksilvers speed perception wise here. He couldn't even see him previously and then saw him as running in slow motion and slow enough that he easily could grab him with his matter manipulation. The question remains though if he could have physically moved that fast himself. His eyes did though, so who knows.
I guess. It's still speculation. I mean how is it different to Superman fighting Wonder Woman and Aquaman at their speed, but still perceiving Flash running around him?
Originally posted by h1a8
This is what I stated.
Hit him a billions times? LMAO
It's been a while since I watched X-Men: Apocalypse, but wasn't part of the plot that Apocalypse wanted Xavier exactly because he couldn't do what Xavier does telepathically and wanted to transfer his consciousness into Xavier's body to get said powers?
Hell, in this clip, he outright states it. He can defend his mind and others from telepathy, but he doesn't have the ability to enter and control the minds of others himself.
I didn't rewatch the movie, but I watched this clip and there's a few tidbits that point in the direction that he does have some type of psychic powers. I'm asking you guys to help with some context (I really dont want to watch the movie again), but at the 3:40 mark, whats going on there?
Originally posted by tkitna
I didn't rewatch the movie, but I watched this clip and there's a few tidbits that point in the direction that he does have some type of psychic powers. I'm asking you guys to help with some context (I really dont want to watch the movie again), but at the 3:40 mark, whats going on there?
Likely the same thing going on here:
Fox Apocalypse is established as being a technopath that can manipulate machines, so he probably mentally hacked Cerebro. Again, he himself literally states in that clip I posted that he has defensive telepathic abilities but not offensive ones.
Not that it matters IMO. Unless he fights like an absolute muppet, Thanos shouldn't even be able to touch him. His insane TK alone should be enough to handle someone who is literally just a brick without the Infinity Stones.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/fh9qe4/en_sabah_nur_make_pyramid/
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fox Apocalypse is established as being a technopath that can manipulate machines, so he probably mentally hacked Cerebro.
Ah ok. Yeah that makes sense. I was curious about the guy who's eyes turned black. Help from Cerebro.
Again, he himself literally states in that clip I posted that he has defensive telepathic abilities but not offensive ones.
He does say that. I knew he had some psychic powers but just didn't know to what extent. I made more out of that clip you posted than there was. I was overthinking and thought he wanted Xavier to do it just as a power play.
Not that it matters IMO. Unless he fights like an absolute muppet, Thanos shouldn't even be able to touch him. His insane TK alone should be enough to handle someone who is literally just a brick without the Infinity Stones.
Yeah, I can't see Thanos beating him in any way.
Thanks for the clarification Vault.