Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe. Because AFTER he saves GL and runs back to the Watchtower, he actually has a deadstop, and THEN he starts running again. So completely unknown what speed levels he's at when WW lassos him, only that he's in superspeed mode. But that's it.
Originally posted by StoicYep. You missed.
One appearance of said alloy can not and should not be relied upon 100%. Hyperbole does exist. I’m not trying to lowball the Superman feat, because as it stands Hyperion has a better strength feat than even that. I’m just saying that the alloy in question has about one showing unless I’ve missed the mark?
We also have Superboy on panel using a chain to haul a galaxy worth of planets to find them new homes around the universe.
Originally posted by h1a8
For a statement to be recognized as hyperbole, there must be context or evidence suggesting it's not literally true - otherwise, people might interpret it as a factual claim.
If i post a scan of Superman adult self saying he cant go the speed of light, is that sufficient? Remember, you said evident suggesting it's not true.et me know
Originally posted by carver9
Because it's just a statement said by a character with no evidence. Like Jack of Heart and Mandorin saying no one moves as fast as Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
If i post a scan of Superman adult self saying he cant go the speed of light, is that sufficient? Remember, you said evident suggesting it's not true.et me know
Yet, you've no problem accepted the statement Wally's speed is under speed of light...despite the very comic previous statements contradicted this statement?
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't add anything to Flash moving under the speed of light. The comic literally said that. You all added the rest.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, word for word."As his body sloughs off the screaming after aftereffects of near light travel"
It's literally saying he travel NEAR the speed of light 😂 . Mentioned twice by the way.
We both know what travel means. Is that what you was asking for?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Waid, one comic's statement said Superboy(Superman when he was a little boy) can react in a nanosecond, you don't acceptYet, you've no problem accepted the statement Wally's speed is under speed of light...despite the very comic previous statements contradicted this statement?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85sneer
Originally posted by carver9
That ft was stated as being under the speed of light. Also, Surfer has moved so fast that he went back in time. That doesn't include him crossing Galaxies in seconds.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
WTF?Do the numbers my friend
Flash traveled 70 miles, 250,000 times (AT LEAST because SOMETIMES he carried 2 people at a time SOMETIMES 1) in .00001 MICROseconds
That means he traveled AT LEAST 17,500,000 miles in less than a nanoseconds 0.01 nanosecond to be exact
light travels 1 foot per nanosecond
Flash traveled 17,500,000 miles in .01 nanoseconds
and this is LOWBALLING the feat as I am counting him carrying 2 people in each trip with out even considering the fact that He had to search for people inside buildings, this is not even a straight line feat, but a complex task ftl feat.
Flash is so fast that time virtually stops for him.
And yes the writer says a hair short of the speed of light but if this is true, then it means
1.-Writer has no idea what the speed of light is
or
2.- Light travels insanely faster in the DCU compared to our universeYou pick
This feat is only one of many, you wont defeat Flash at his game.
Flash is so fast that he can race himself at the same time.
So yeah Flash wins every single time
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Waid, one comic's statement said Superboy(Superman when he was a little boy) can react in a nanosecond, you don't acceptYet, you've no problem accepted the statement Wally's speed is under speed of light...despite the very comic previous statements contradicted this statement?
Wally statement about being under the speed of light was said by the narrator, not the character. Huge difference.
Originally posted by carver9
Wally statement about being under the speed of light was said by the narrator, not the character. Huge difference.
Another example, it directly from the Flash scan you posted, as another guy already pointed out, the narrator contradicted himself in the very comic with statements
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
WTF?Do the numbers my friend
Flash traveled 70 miles, 250,000 times (AT LEAST because SOMETIMES he carried 2 people at a time SOMETIMES 1) in .00001 MICROseconds
That means he traveled AT LEAST 17,500,000 miles in less than a nanoseconds 0.01 nanosecond to be exact
light travels 1 foot per nanosecond
Flash traveled 17,500,000 miles in .01 nanoseconds
and this is LOWBALLING the feat as I am counting him carrying 2 people in each trip with out even considering the fact that He had to search for people inside buildings, this is not even a straight line feat, but a complex task ftl feat.
Flash is so fast that time virtually stops for him.
And yes the writer says a hair short of the speed of light but if this is true, then it means
1.-Writer has no idea what the speed of light is
or
2.- Light travels insanely faster in the DCU compared to our universeYou pick
This feat is only one of many, you wont defeat Flash at his game.
Flash is so fast that he can race himself at the same time.
So yeah Flash wins every single time
Secondly, you also accepted character statements...you literally said that in this thread....and the ironic part is the statement about Cyborg Superman being as fast and strong as Superman is made by....the same character who made the nanosecond statement...Superman himself
Originally posted by carver9
Not just Marvel. I accepted Batman statements as well. I accepted the statement of Superman being faster than Diana via raw speed. I came to accept Superman bench pressing ft. I accepted Doomsday statement of jumping at the speed of sound to reach metropolis. I accepted Damage statement of being stronger than Superman and punching harder than Doomsday. I also accepted the statement of Flash evacuating the city under the speed of light, and the statement of Cyborg Superman being as fast and strong as Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Also, Superman admitted Cyborg Superman is just as fast and strong as him, someone that Zod treated like fodder. Superman had to take CS down before he gained his full power...
Originally posted by carver9That's not sufficient evidence, as Superman has traveled faster than light on numerous occasions. Either the statement refers to a time when he hadn't yet reached that level of speed, or the writer simply made an error if there are earlier instances of him exceeding light speed.
If i post a scan of Superman adult self saying he cant go the speed of light, is that sufficient? Remember, you said evident suggesting it's not true.et me know
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Being a narrator doesn't guarantee it isn't wrong or hyperbole, otherwise, Superman is going to be beat Flash(Barry) way back in 70s(and back then, it already well established many other heroes such as Flash, GLs etc all in a shared universe)
https://ibb.co/60sQHjSBAnother example, it directly from the Flash scan you posted, as another guy already pointed out, the narrator contradicted himself in the very comic with statements
Secondly, you also accepted character statements...you literally said that in this thread....and the ironic part is the statement about Cyborg Superman being as fast and strong as Superman is made by....the same character who made the nanosecond statement...Superman himself
Narration doesn't boast, characters does.
I accepted Superman saying Cyborg S is as strong and fast as him. That's power comparing, that's not hyperbole. Hyperbole is Hulk being the fastest being alive and Superman saying he is punching in nano seconds. V
Originally posted by h1a8
That's not sufficient evidence, as Superman has traveled faster than light on numerous occasions. Either the statement refers to a time when he hadn't yet reached that level of speed, or the writer simply made an error if there are earlier instances of him exceeding light speed.
Made an error, lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Narration doesn't boast, characters does.I accepted Superman saying Cyborg S is as strong and fast as him. That's power comparing, that's not hyperbole. Hyperbole is Hulk being the fastest being alive and Superman saying he is punching in nano seconds. V
Why Superman saying Cyborg Superman(who Superman easily defeated in the past) is as strong as fast as him is a power comparing, but Superman says he react in a nanosecond just hyperbole(despite Superman has the feats to back it up)?
Originally posted by carver9
Made an error, lol.
It's an "or" - one or the other must be true. Which is it?
Either Superman couldn't exceed the speed of light at that time (meaning the writer was accurate), or he could because he had already done so before that statement (meaning the writer was wrong).
Originally posted by carver9
Because it's just a statement said by a character with no evidence. Like Jack of Heart and Mandorin saying no one moves as fast as Hulk.
There is enough evidence and general understanding to recognize that the statement "no one moves as fast as Hulk" is hyperbole.
For a statement to be recognized as hyperbole, there must be context or general understanding that it exceeds factual truth, often supported by evidence or common knowledge to the contrary.
Originally posted by carver9
Because it's just a statement said by a character with no evidence. Like Jack of Heart and Mandorin saying no one moves as fast as Hulk.
No, it's not like those at all.
We know that others can move faster than Hulk, that's why those statements are hyperbolic.
Are you saying Superman has NO feats, zero, nada, over his ENTIRE history (I am not talking about conflicting evidence, I am talking about ZERO evidence) at the nanosecond level?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you think Superman is fastest there is? Faster than Flash(Barry)? It literally stated by narration
https://ibb.co/60sQHjSB
Or here, It states Superman is unmatched while flying(so he will be faster than Wally, who just performed flying ability recently)
https://ibb.co/G9kZgHXWhy Superman saying Cyborg Superman(who Superman easily defeated in the past) is as strong as fast as him is a power comparing, but Superman says he react in a nanosecond just hyperbole(despite Superman has the feats to back it up)?
Superman portrayed back then>>>>>>>>>>>>>>now.
It is a power comparison. Superman admitting Cyborg Superman is basically his equals is a display of power. That doesn't mean that he can beat Superman since Superman mindset is>>>>Cyborg.