Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I do know exactly what I'm talking about.When it suits you, you try and move heaven and earth and spend so much time and effort trying to argue narration.
Otherwise, you just accept wrong interpretations when it suits you without even bothering to read the words properly. This entire exercise proves it clearly😂
You really don't know what you're talking about. At least you try though.
Originally posted by carver9
I wanna know the speed you thought he was going in that comic. The top speed during the evacuation instance.
There were 500,000 Koreans, evacuated to spot 35miles away. He carried them 1-2 at a time, so will assume 2 at a time. So that's 250,000 35 mile trips under light speed (when he is running OUT of the city, carrying people) and 250,000 35 mile trips over light speed (when he is running back INTO the city).
So 250,00 x 35 = 8,750,000 miles just UNDER light speed, and 250,000 x 35 = 8,750,000 miles OVER light speed.
Why OVER? Because we know the entire process took 0.00001 microseconds, period. As I said:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So it does work, because in DC travelling FTL is how time travel works.Every time he runs back into the city, he could be time travelling.but to do so requires FTL running.
Otherwise, you might as well ignore the 35 miles, the 500,000 Koreans, the 0.00001 microseconds. Oh wait, you do.
Originally posted by carver9
You really don't know what you're talking about. At least you try though.
Originally posted by carver9
Now I remember why I accepted that ft. Its not a thought bubble or a bubble related to someone speaking, it's in narrator format which helps its validation. Then it's said by one of the smartest men on the planet. Thats why I said I accept some statements, not all. Depends on the credibility of the character and if its boasting or not.
But it was a phucking wrong statement, lmao. Tony NEVER said Hulk could juggle suns. Boasting or not, it was literally never said. You just made that shit up.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There were 500,000 Koreans, evacuated to spot 35miles away. He carried them 1-2 at a time, so will assume 2 at a time. So that's 250,000 35 mile trips under light speed (when he is running OUT of the city, carrying people) and 250,000 35 mile trips over light speed (when he is running back INTO the city).So 250,00 x 35 = 8,750,000 miles just UNDER light speed, and 250,000 x 35 = 8,750,000 miles OVER light speed.
Why OVER? Because we know the entire process took 0.00001 microseconds, period. As I said:
Otherwise, you might as well ignore the 35 miles, the 500,000 Koreans, the 0.00001 microseconds. Oh wait, you do.
Tell me, how much effort did you put into reading Tony's statement about Hulk juggling suns? I notice how smoothly you pivoted away from this to Flash, lmao. This was your 'excuse':
But it was a phucking wrong statement, lmao. Tony NEVER said Hulk could juggle suns. Boasting or not, it was literally never said. You just made that shit up.
Give me a hard number on how fast he was going. 1000 times the speed of light?
Originally posted by carver9
Are we going to talk about is the sun statement legit or are we staying on the topic of is statements overall is legit? Let me know because it seems like you're having some type of panic attack.
Uhuh, yes, your stroke-inducing post is indicative of how I'm the one having a panic attack, lol.
The point is that you scrutinise statements like they're contracts for your firstborn soul when it suits you for some statements, then don't even read the proper words when it suits you for other statements. Agree or disagree?
THAT'S the point lmao.
A golden post:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You take this scene:And turn it into:
[QUOTE=16956703]Originally posted by carver9
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Noticed that Gladiator have the ability to buffer people power level and add it to his own...
You take this scene:
And turn it into:
Originally posted by carver9
I like how they pointed out Hulk being in a neutral state. Writers always try to find ways of avoiding angry fans.
Originally posted by carver9
Didn't the scan say single planet.
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Primo examples, along with 'Hulk can juggle suns!' and 'Hulk can scream across galaxies'!! and 'Hulk is the most dangerous Avengers foe!!'
Originally posted by carver9
We either going to accept all statements or push away the hyperbolic statements. I'm ok with either since that would mean Hulk is more powerful than the entire Celestial race and is the strongest being in existence. Hyperbolic statements should not be used as factual whereas statements with clarity should be used. Statements of Onslaught being powerful than the Phoenix and Franklin should not be used as concrete evidence unless we truly want to put Hulk above those characters. Either way, I'm alright with it. Hulk has also been said to be more powerful than Galactus. Someone saying I can punch you in the face at femto second speeds is just someone boasting. Someone stopping a bullet at super speed and screaming out femto is hyperbole. I'm not saying hyperbolic statements are legit. I'm saying when the drawing match the wording, then it's ok to use.
A hyperbolic statement must show a clear and significant discrepancy between what is stated and what is shown. Without that, it cannot be considered hyperbole.
There is no discrepancy between what is shown and Barry's statement about perceiving events occurring in less than an attosecond, so his statement should be accepted as true - that's the entire point.
In a debate, making a claim without evidence carries no weight. If you're going to call it hyperbole, you need to prove it. Show sufficient evidence that contradicts the idea that Superman was following events on a femtosecond-by-femtosecond basis.
2nd point
We all know the real-world speed of certain things. If a character outruns a 3000ft/s 50 bmg bulket, but the writer mistakenly claims the character was moving at 30 mph, we dismiss the statement because we know how fast those bullets actually travel. In the same vein, we know how fast gamma rays move.
Originally posted by carver9I literally posted several times you used the juggling suns 'feat' (i.e. made up shit lol) in a battle thread, when NO-ONE mentioned 'cheese' (another made up term lol) in it.
I mention things but I don't use them most of the time in battles.
I am sure that if I expanded the criteria to include all the times you tried to use that juggling suns statement, without even bothering to spend any energy/effort into actually reading it, I would get a lot more examples. The point is that you blindly accept/invent statements when it suits you, and try to nitpick every single detail when it doesn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
You've reached the point where you accept statements for Marvel but argue against them for DC, which suggests you're intentionally being inconsistent.A hyperbolic statement must show a clear and significant discrepancy between what is stated and what is shown. Without that, it cannot be considered hyperbole.
There is no discrepancy between what is shown and Barry's statement about perceiving events occurring in less than an attosecond, so his statement should be accepted as true - that's the entire point.
In a debate, making a claim without evidence carries no weight. If you're going to call it hyperbole, you need to prove it. Show sufficient evidence that contradicts the idea that Superman was following events on a femtosecond-by-femtosecond basis.
2nd point
We all know the real-world speed of certain things. If a character outruns a 3000ft/s 50 bmg bulket, but the writer mistakenly claims the character was moving at 30 mph, we dismiss the statement because we know how fast those bullets actually travel. In the same vein, we know how fast gamma rays move.
Same comic, Flash reference Pico and Femto speeds. Same comic he's asked to slow down but he can't AFTER mentioning those speeds. Is this a Femto second speed ft for Diana?
Originally posted by carver9
Same comic, Flash reference Pico and Femto speeds. Same comic he's asked to slow down but he can't AFTER mentioning those speeds. Is this a Femto second speed ft for Diana?
Originally posted by carver9femtosecond speed?
Same comic, Flash reference Pico and Femto speeds. Same comic he's asked to slow down but he can't AFTER mentioning those speeds. Is this a Femto second speed ft for Diana?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Flash actually said these speeds would pose some problems/challenges though. The only speed he was referring as something he could easily achieve is when he was referring to a second
Not sure how much speed you can extract from it, aside from it safely above "a second" level speeds
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Flash stated that shorter times are more difficult, so he intentionally aimed to complete the feat over a longer duration and was actively trying to slow himself down.
Lmao. That scan gets posted, but people usually ignore the context.
In the page preceding it, which is usually ignored, the reason why Flash brings up femto etc, isn't because he cannot run at those speeds.
It is because it is in reply to Batman, who is shouting that GL, without his ring (he had switched it off due to Memno) would die in seconds on the Moon (as he would, as he would be powerless:
Flash is responding to Batman's panicked statement. Had Batman said 'you will die in femtoseconds/picoseconds', then it would have been a problem/challenge for Flash. THAT'S what he is referring to.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao. That scan gets posted, but people usually ignore the context.In the page preceding it, which is usually ignored, the reason why Flash brings up femto etc, [b]isn't
because he cannot run at those speeds.It is because it is in reply to Batman, who is shouting that GL, without his ring (he had switched it off due to Memno) would die in seconds on the Moon (as he would, as he would be powerless:
Flash is responding to Batman's panicked statement. Had Batman said 'you will die in femtoseconds/picoseconds', then it would have been a problem/challenge for Flash. THAT'S what he is referring to. [/B]
Flash didn't say he can't run at these speeds, but he also didn't say he is *running at* these speeds. So it's feat for proving WW's speed is "safely above one second", but it doesn't necessarily mean it's femtosecond speeds or something(like Carver said) IMO
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
My interpretation is it basically is just Flash throws some hypothetical situations(to response to Batman's sentence), which didn't happen and he made no comments on whether or not he could definitely do it in this particular scene
So it's something, "safely above one second speed", but can't prove he is running at femtosecond speeds or somethingFlash didn't say he can't run at these speeds, but he also didn't say he is *running at* these speeds. So it's feat for proving WW's speed is "safely above one second", but it doesn't necessarily mean it's femtosecond speeds or something(like Carver said) IMO
Maybe. Because AFTER he saves GL and runs back to the Watchtower, he actually has a deadstop, and THEN he starts running again. So completely unknown what speed levels he's at when WW lassos him, only that he's in superspeed mode. But that's it.