Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think he obviously fights Batman with the same power level he does when fighting Doomsday 👆 Carver is very wise.Batman is just that awesome.
Does he fight Zaar, Zod, Darkseid, and Doomsday at different power levels? All of these people came near to killing him. You want to throw in a human friend to help your disgusting argument when you know the topic isn't about something like this. Snake.
Originally posted by h1a8
Wouldn't that be common sense? Why would he fight Darkseid with the same power level as Batman or Joker? Why would he keep holding back at the same level while he's losing? What's to prove?Why are you asking me to show you things I never even claimed?
Ok, the exception is humans. We are discussing super humans here. Would he fight Zod (someone he's even called his most dangerous adversary(, Zaar, and Doomsday at different levels? Just use a little common sense and know this discussion isn't about Superman vs Jubilee.
Originally posted by carver9Superman has a very long history of starting low and then finding out what level his opponent can take and slowly taking it up to that level. He does this because he’s fine with absorbing shots if need be. But he doesn’t have to show this restraint on the forum.
Prove that his level of restraint is different. Show me the levels of restraints he use against Zod. I want to see it going up while fighting him.
If you want to see it in Action. You can see it literally in Action 831, while tussling with Black Adam. You see him elevate from “Punches land with the volume of canon blasts and the impact of a small bomb” then once someone is hurt, a punch that would crack a moon in half.
In Superman 217 we see that Superman even has to calculate while traveling to not damage the environment while flying.
In the same issue, it describes that even while angry how much power is held back, and others have no idea about his actual level.
You can see from his previous fights with Captain Marvel and Black Adam individually vs how effortlessly he dragged amped Captain Marvel and amped Supergirl at the same time, that he’s constantly fighting to others level because he’s trying to not hurt opponents, bystanders, etc.
In one of the recent fights with Darkseid it was in the city and he and Darkseid were trading shots, and between this, he was clearing out the entire area of people who could potentially be harmed before unloading.
He’s always holding back, and always scaling up and down as needed.
Originally posted by carver9
Does he fight Zaar, Zod, Darkseid, and Doomsday at different power levels? All of these people came near to killing him. You want to throw in a human friend to help your disgusting argument when you know the topic isn't about something like this. Snake.
So answer this, then and there's occasions when fighting these beings, he's at the brink of either death or ktfo. Add Red Cloud to this show was on the verge of killing Superman until she let him go or the 3 merged kryptonians who Superman even admitted if him and Supergirl didn't stop this monster, they would kill everyone (and remember, he got saved when he even admitted he could not take another punch).
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, let's end this debate. Lol. Three regular krytponians combined is three times stronger than Superman, faster than Superman. He was beaten up by them to the point that him teamed with Supergirl couldn't even hold up part of a bridge. Heck, he even said he couldn't take another punch. This creature is omniversal/omnipotent.Let me know.
Originally posted by carver9
Does he fight Zaar, Zod, Darkseid, and Doomsday at different power levels? All of these people came near to killing him. You want to throw in a human friend to help your disgusting argument when you know the topic isn't about something like this. Snake.
H1 was the one who first mentioned Batman, not me.
Not my fault you can't read, is it??? Is Batman a special case again 😂 I thought a few days ago he wasn't, and should be treated the same as any other character??
Originally posted by carver9
So answer this, then and there's occasions when fighting these beings, he's at the brink of either death or ktfo. Add Red Cloud to this show was on the verge of killing Superman until she let him go or the 3 merged kryptonians who Superman even admitted if him and Supergirl didn't stop this monster, they would kill everyone (and remember, he got saved when he even admitted he could not take another punch).
the obvious answer to your question carv is PIS. when he's not at full capacity it's pis /shrug
lol i've tried fighting that battle....tbh hal would be the only one who you might reasonably argue for. maybe kyle. though i suppose you could try arguing cis since they did you the favor of proving superman likes to underestimate his opponents regularly. it's not an argument you'll win though. what happens in the comics really has no bearing lol
I agree, mostly. All I'm saying is, we can't discredit comics. Not all of it. I can't say every fight with Hulk, his loses, are PIS because he didn't start glowing green and becoming significantly more powerful. Same with Thor, and Surfer. All of these people hold back but that doesn't take away from their loses either.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, the exception is humans. We are discussing super humans here. Would he fight Zod (someone he's even called his most dangerous adversary(, Zaar, and Doomsday at different levels? Just use a little common sense and know this discussion isn't about Superman vs Jubilee.
What's the point of the question anyway? Just get to the point. Enough of this trapping nonsense — that's not debating.
A 5 can beat a 7. Ratings by themselves mean nothing.
We can rate individual attributes like strength, speed, durability, and so on, but even that isn't always enough to decide the winner. We must consider the totality of the circumstances.
Originally posted by carver9
@H1...I'm asking you this for a reason because you'll try to twist shit. So answer the question.
I'm not going to twist anything. I don't go by ratings - I don't even know what that's supposed to mean or how it applies to a theoretical discussion.
Originally posted by h1a8
In a forum fight, Superman holds every physical advantage against Zod.I'm not going to twist anything. I don't go by ratings - I don't even know what that's supposed to mean or how it applies to a theoretical discussion.
In fights from what we've seen, Superman doesnt hold a single advantage against Zod. Not one. You answered my question about Superman and Zod from a 10 ranking but youre avoiding a holding back Superman and Zod question. I wonder why.
Originally posted by h1a8
What's the point of the question anyway? Just get to the point. Enough of this trapping nonsense — that's not debating.A 5 can beat a 7. Ratings by themselves mean nothing.
We can rate individual attributes like strength, speed, durability, and so on, but even that isn't always enough to decide the winner. We must consider the totality of the circumstances.
Metallo can beat Superman. What're their ratings?
Batman can beat Metallo. What's his rating?
So smart, is our Carver.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, mostly. All I'm saying is, we can't discredit comics. Not all of it. I can't say every fight with Hulk, his loses, are PIS because he didn't start glowing green and becoming significantly more powerful. Same with Thor, and Surfer. All of these people hold back but that doesn't take away from their loses either.
oh don't get me wrong lol i'm not implying there isn't a blatant double standard in the forum. several in the forum will consistently play up full capacity for one and while seeming to forget the full capacity rule extends to BOTH parties. but...i don't see that changing any time soon. lol