WWH - DOS Doomsday - Rebirth Superman

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's particularly amusing reading this from outside - the ruling is essentially the most inoffensive "Hey, World War Hulk is Green Scar in that specific World War Hulk storyline in his non-WBH mode, but if you want all of his feats just remove the WWH denomination and use Green Scar " - yet the reaction is as if you made them eat shit and started posting scans on how different Hulk incarnations abilities differ.

It's still not to late for either of those -- but they'd probably enjoy at least one.

I also note that the same thread specifies:

DC comics and Canonicity:

From this point forward, all DC characters in threads are assumed to be the "DCNU" versions of the characters. I imagine that means we're going to get a lot of unintentional spite threads, but I'm sure people will learn in time to make better opening posts.

and

Superman is now considered to be an amalgamation of both the Post-Crisis and New 52 versions of Superman, and has all the feats that come with both.

So for forum purposes, pre-crisis showings are invalid if the thread says "Superman", but any thread creator can specifically include them in the OP.

That seems fair to me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again - the biggest and loudest Hulk fan was all in favour of the words Galan typed

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We were all given a chance to give our views on the words. Again, read Carv's words above - he repeated multiple times (at my insistence) that he was happy with the words. Even agreed with me that it was a good ruling.

I will admit, I was confused myself why Carver was so happy. But I think I gave him way too much credit.

Anyway, I ain't arguing against the adjusted mod ruling.

Because I understood the original mod ruling.

All I did was argue against the notion that the original/adjusted mod ruling was meant to fairly balance Marvel vs. DC. It wasn't. It's a lopsided, nonsensical ruling that has little to do with comic narrative.

But as Philosophía, Galan007 and I have all pointed out repeatedly, so long as you refer to 'Green Scar' there is no controversy.

Sure, that begs the question why the mod ruling was instituted/revisited in the first place, but unless the mods want to invite such discussion, who cares?

Originally posted by Smurph
Totally. It's offensive. And it's helpful that Galan noted it in the Character Ruling & Guideline Thread.

I also note that the same thread specifies:

and

So for forum purposes, pre-crisis showings are invalid if the thread says "Superman", but any thread creator can specifically include them in the OP.

That seems fair to me.

Having said that...

Originally posted by Smurph
Totally. It's offensive. And it's helpful that Galan noted it in the Character Ruling & Guideline Thread.

I also note that the same thread specifies:

and

So for forum purposes, pre-crisis showings are invalid if the thread says "Superman", but any thread creator can specifically include them in the OP.

That seems fair to me.

Pretty much this. Otherwise I'm sure Qwerty is itching to actually - in good faith and seriousness - post PC Superman in generic Superman threads.

With regards to Hulk : if people want the full gamut of Hulk's feats, just use Green Scar, or World breaker if you're feeling nasty. No problem whatsoever, never had a problem with that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pretty much this. Otherwise I'm sure Qwerty is itching to actually - in good faith and seriousness - post PC Superman in generic Superman threads.

But in good faith? Nah, I'd challenge that before seeing it. Maybe I'll be surprised.

But given your absolute vitriol against considering WBH-level feats peddled by carver9, it strikes me that your ready acceptance of qwertyuiop1998's pre-Crisis feat citations before they even manifest... stink of sheer hypocrisy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With regards to Hulk : if people want the full gamut of Hulk's feats, just use Green Scar, or World breaker if you're feeling nasty. No problem whatsoever, never had a problem with that.

Green Scar was the persona during World War Hulk that performed all the feats during the World War Hulk storyline including all the WBH-level feats because it was revealed/confirmed during Heart of the Monster that Green Scar was holding back the entire time.

We all agree on this on-panel fact, right?

Unless you're stupid enough to deny it, it strikes me that carver9 just wants everybody to accept this on-panel fact and he'll move on. And if he won't? Well, I will make him.

durhulk

Originally posted by ODG
qwertyuiop1998 might be itching to do so with great effort.

But in good faith? Nah, I'd challenge that before seeing it. Maybe I'll be surprised.

I mean, just based on some previous threads, it seems it's acceptable by the mods?

Originally posted by Galan007
I am currently of the opinion that everything in DC's published history is now canon and therefore up for grabs -- most material seems to paint that picture.

But yeah, if you don't want the 'composite canon' thing to be used, just specify a particular version of the character in the OP.

Originally posted by -Pr-
In all seriousness, I agree with Galan for the most part. People just need to state the version in the OP.

Maybe we need to ask Galan to make it an official mod rule 👆 we can also ask Carver for his opinion

I mean, come to think of it, the rules actually make Marvel side can use all the feats across a character's history, while DC characters basically are restricted to like only a bit more than a decade feats

And Carver saying this is a DC bias forum lol

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
What makes you think so that I'm not in good faith?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean, just based on some previous threads, it seems it's acceptable by the mods?

But here in this thread, I'm simply arguing against the notion that pages 33-40 of World War Hulk #5 don't involve 'WWH' or Green Scar. Because that's when he started going WBH-level in the World War Hulk storyline.

But the current mod ruling sets some artificial end as if somehow the fight w/ Sentry through page 27 ends all consideration of 'WWH' even though that's not even the climax of World War Hulk proper.

Mod ruling, yes! Comic honest, no.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe we need to ask Galan to make it an official mod rule 👆 we can also ask Carver for his opinion

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean, come to think of it, the rules actually make Marvel side can use all the feats across a character's history, while DC characters basically are restricted to like only a bit more than a decade feats

And Carver saying this is a DC bias forum lol

As it stands, you're just whining about DC's own self-inflicted retcons as if they ought to be projected upon Marvel because you don't think it's fair. Not Marvel's fault. Not my fault either. It's simply the publisher's. And you either accept them or you don't.

Convince me you accept the difference.

Originally posted by ODG
That's only my personal opinion. Exacerbated more by our discussion over New History of the DC Universe #1. A mini-series that hasn't even finished so who knows? Maybe we should both wait for that miniseries to conclude before debating DC continuity? Yes, I understand that you (and others) cherrypick mod posts to include arguably non-canon feats for DC characters that were subject to actual on-panel industry-wide retcons. Smurph literally just pointed out the current rules to us.

But here in this thread, I'm simply arguing against the notion that pages 33-40 of World War Hulk #5 don't involve 'WWH' or Green Scar. Because that's when he started going WBH-level in the World War Hulk storyline.

But the current mod ruling sets some artificial end as if somehow the fight w/ Sentry through page 27 ends all consideration of 'WWH' even though that's not even the climax of World War Hulk proper.

Mod ruling, yes! Comic honest, no. You've begged across multiple bait threads to enforce a pointless mod ruling. Pintless because the consensus is that KMC posters can simply invoke 'Green Scar'. I tried to follow your motivations and came up empty. Go ahead and blame me. I just think you're chasing your own tail. When Marvel goes through a Crisis on Marvel Earths or a Marvel Flashpoint or a Marvel Doomsday Clock, you might have a point.

As it stands, you're just whining about DC's own self-inflicted retcons as if they ought to be projected upon Marvel because you don't think it's fair. Not Marvel's fault. Not my fault either. It's simply the publisher's. And you either accept them or you don't.

Convince me you accept the difference.

It's hardly what you claimed you're trying to argue

Originally posted by ODG

But here in this thread, I'm simply arguing against the notion that pages 33-40 of World War Hulk #5 don't involve 'WWH' or Green Scar. Because that's when he started going WBH-level in the World War Hulk storyline.

Edit:
Also, pretty sure the DCNU rules were established many years ago, not sure if it call be called *current* rules

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean, you seem to suddenly insult me out of nowhere, in a thread that I barely participate in(like I only posted once or two in this thread)?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It's hardly what you claimed you're trying to argue

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It seems you're just taking the opportunity to involve another topic with some other people you've probelms with

Did I mention you in this thread before other posters did? No.

Do I give a crap about what you think on this particular topic? No. Because I had my hands full replying to Galan007, Juntai, Philosophía, Darksaint85, etc.

Should you contain yourself? Yes.

Originally posted by ODG
Insult? I don't think I did that in this thread. When someone else invoked you for a certain proposition, did I doubt? Sure. If you're that sensitive though to take such doubt as an insult, that's on you, pal. Don't project your sensitivity upon me. I dunno. English, maybe speak it? Oddly enough, I could accuse other posters of doing that as bait.

Did I mention you in this thread before other posters did? No.

Do I give a crap about what you think on this particular topic? No. Because I had my hands full replying to Galan007, Juntai, Philosophía, Darksaint85, etc.

Should you contain yourself? Yes.

The point isn't being "who brought another person in a topic", it's "you suggesting other posters aren't in good faith", which is very different from the former
If I say "ODG probably would lean toward this character wins", it's different from I say "ODG probably would lean toward this character wins, because he is biased, he doesn't argue in good faith"

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you think doubt other posters'(who isn't Carver of course) good faith in a topic that didn't relate to them is an appropriate thing to do?

He's telling you to stay quiet, loser.

Welp, due to your facetious declaration that nobody asked for, I suppose there's no more room for constructive discussion. kinda

Originally posted by ODG
English please. Speak it.

Do you like it?

Originally posted by ODG
Welp, due to your facetious declaration that nobody asked for, I suppose there's no more room for constructive discussion. kinda

This is all Galan's fault.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ok, let' me put this way
"ODG you so feverishly argue against about Superman(like you literally made multiple posts focus in a topic that didn't focus on Superman) is because you aren't in good faith. I'd challenge that before seeing it. Maybe I'll be surprised."

Do you like it?

There can't be a constructive discussion if one side is blind to/doesn't try to understand what the other side is saying. And you seem are doing it

By all means, gather/bottle/scrounge up your personal sensitivity over being name-called by another poster in this thread (not me initially even).

But given you suffered such personal indignity here in this thread, just let me know what you would think of me if you put me on ignore and I continued to chase after you for 200+ posts across 10+ years.

How much of a c#nt b1tch-made mode would that be? Scale of 1 to 100.

Given I think you and abhilegend are intimately intwined via inner monologue, I think that's a fair question to ask, after all. But if you aren't... and you have nothing to do with abhilegend... then you can freely answer. And I might start respecting that. I might start respecting you.

I might start believing that you actually took personal offense to someone else name-dropping you and my replying to them. Should I hold my breath?

kinda

Originally posted by ODG
Oddly enough, I put such a poster who would do so on ignore as the mods asked me to. For like 10+ years.

By all means, gather/bottle/scrounge up your personal sensitivity over being name-called by another poster in this thread (not me initially even).

But given you suffered such personal indignity here in this thread, just let me know what you would think of me if you put me on ignore and I continued to chase after you for 200+ posts across 10+ years.

How much of a c#nt b1tch-made mode would that be?

Given I think you and abhilegend are intimately intwined via inner monologue, I think that's a fair question to ask, after all. But if it isn't... and you have nothing to do with abhilegend... then you can freely answer. And I might start respecting that and you. Should I hold my breath?

kinda

Also, I have no idea why you brought up Abhi, who isn't me. From *my* perspective, you made multiple insults in a lot of our discussions, and in this thread, you suggesting I'm not arguing in good faith(which really isn't the topic/Hulk's ruling in this discussion)

You act like you suffered such personal indignity here in this thread, so just let me know what you would think of me if you put me on ignore and I continued to chase after you for 200+ posts across 10+ years.

How much of a c#nt b1tch-made mode would that be? Scale of 1 to 100.

Given I think you and abhilegend are intimately intwined via inner monologue, I think that's a fair question to ask, after all. But if you aren't... and you have nothing to do with abhilegend... then you can freely answer. And I might start respecting that. I might start respecting you.

If you think nothing of abhilegend's behavior and refuse to acknowledge how psychotically creepy it was, then honestly, you can phuck the right off with your fake indignation here. I didn't even bring you up initially. That was someone else.