Storm vs. Invisible Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
This fight borders on being a stomp.

Sue has shields, can turn invisible, create force constructs (including bubbles in someone's head), and is very mobile in the air.

A typical fight plays out like this:
Within the first second, Sue throws up her shields, turns invisible, and takes to the air. Almost immediately after, she either impales Storm with a sharp force construct or creates a bubble inside her body and expands it.

From Storm's perspective, she has at most one second to act against an opponent who's invisible, shielded, and already airborne.

What can she realistically do in that time?
Absolutely nothing.

I think on the balance of things I'd give Storm the edge in a quick draw but Sue the edge if both have their shields up. But as long as Storm is operating at "omega energy manipulator" levels, it's a very even fight.

If Storm summons backup and activity is swarm she can reach core strength and endurance can lift reach so the air pocket is dominant. Then she can breeze and superhuman skill can be gained. Then the level is heightened and attainment is alight.

Storm can summon the strength of gale so that she holds her position and has strategic advantage.

Originally posted by Smurph
Being invisible won't be a defence against Storm. Being airborne is probably a handicap against Storm. And Storm can shield just as quickly, including against sharp force constructs.

I think on the balance of things I'd give Storm the edge in a quick draw but Sue the edge if both have their shields up. But as long as Storm is operating at "omega energy manipulator" levels, it's a very even fight.

Being invisible is a defensive advantage, as Storm cannot see Sue.
Being airborne, invisible, shielded, and highly mobile - maneuvering unpredictably in different directions, makes it extremely difficult for Storm to respond, especially within a fraction of a second.

Storm does not possess shields. Even if she did, Sue can exert far more force through her constructs than Storm could realistically defend against. For instance, how would Storm stop a sharp construct being driven into her back with immense, potentially astronomical, force?

And that's not even considering a force bubble inside the brain - something Storm has no defense against.

Now answer this:
If Sue is fully shielded and chooses not to retaliate for the first full minute, allowing Storm to attack freely, how would Storm fare?

Originally posted by h1a8
Being invisible is a defensive advantage, as Storm cannot see Sue.
Being airborne, invisible, shielded, and highly mobile - maneuvering unpredictably in different directions, makes it extremely difficult for Storm to respond, especially within a fraction of a second.

Storm does not possess shields. Even if she did, Sue can exert far more force through her constructs than Storm could realistically defend against. For instance, how would Storm stop a sharp construct being driven into her back with immense, potentially astronomical, force?

And that's not even considering a force bubble inside the brain - something Storm has no defense against.

Now answer this:
If Sue is fully shielded and chooses not to retaliate for the first full minute, allowing Storm to attack freely, how would Storm fare?

She can do all of this at once (flight, invisible, shielded, brain bubble, stabbing construct) simultaneously.

Here she does open heart surgery, having a conversation (with two people), shielding herself (against radiation as well as physical attacks), bringing Coulson down, creating surgical tool constructs, pinching blood vessels shut, and then making tiny machines invisible layer by layer, all whilst Moloids are pounding on her shield:

Multitasking is her strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being invisible is a defensive advantage, as Storm cannot see Sue.
Being airborne, invisible, shielded, and highly mobile - maneuvering unpredictably in different directions, makes it extremely difficult for Storm to respond, especially within a fraction of a second.

Storm does not possess shields. Even if she did, Sue can exert far more force through her constructs than Storm could realistically defend against. For instance, how would Storm stop a sharp construct being driven into her back with immense, potentially astronomical, force?

And that's not even considering a force bubble inside the brain - something Storm has no defense against.

Now answer this:
If Sue is fully shielded and chooses not to retaliate for the first full minute, allowing Storm to attack freely, how would Storm fare?

Storm does possess shields.

It merely comes down to a quick draw.

Originally posted by Smurph
Storm doesn't need to see Sue to sense Sue.

Storm does possess shields.

It merely comes down to a quick draw.

Your arguments are getting so weak at this point, it honestly feels like you're just trolling for laughs.

1. Storm can only detect Sue through sight or sound - neither of which is available to her in this scenario. If you disagree, provide proof.
2. Then, assuming you can prove that, demonstrate why it matters. Show evidence of Storm being able to affect a fully shielded Sue within one second, even if she can constantly track her location.
3. Prove that Storm has shields. You also ignored my argument explaining why, even if she did, they wouldn't be effective against Sue.
4. This isn't a quick-draw contest. Sue starts shielded and can defend against anything Storm throws at her. Storm, on the other hand, has no defense against what Sue can do in return.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your arguments are getting so weak at this point, it honestly feels like you're just trolling for laughs.

1. Storm can only detect Sue through sight or sound - neither of which is available to her in this scenario. If you disagree, provide proof.
2. Then, assuming you can prove that, demonstrate why it matters. Show evidence of Storm being able to affect a fully shielded Sue within one second, even if she can constantly track her location.
3. Prove that Storm has shields. You also ignored my argument explaining why, even if she did, they wouldn't be effective against Sue.
4. This isn't a quick-draw contest. Sue starts shielded and can defend against anything Storm throws at her. Storm, on the other hand, has no defense against what Sue can do in return.

1. Storm can sense the air move. She sees the world as all of its component electrons. She's seen force fields that were invisible to the Blackbird because of how it was disrupting the air.

2. I said that invisibility doesn't matter. I don't need to prove why visibility matters.

3.

4. Sue doesn't start shielded.

So say Storm tracks air currents moving... what if Sue just created dozens of different invisible forcefield constructs all moving around and disrupting the air in the environment? How would she know which one Sue was in?

Visibility would help Storm focus on Sue specifically, otherwise she'd need to go for large AoE attacks affecting large areas. In which case, it'd be random chance if Sue happens to be in whatever large space she happens to be targeting...

This is what Storm was sensing - a large island size field made of dark magic:

https://imgur.com/a/YF6brD8

Also, it wasn't invisible to the Blackbird (unless Smurph is talking of a different time). It was invisible to Gambit.

Invisible Woman can also cancel out force fields - this is Doom and the Marquis of Death (the guy who was casually pulling abstracts to fight for him):

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is what Storm was sensing - a large island size field made of dark magic:

https://imgur.com/a/YF6brD8

Also, it wasn't invisible to the Blackbird (unless Smurph is talking of a different time). It was invisible to Gambit.

The island size isn't particularly important, she can do the same thing with human sized movements through the air - https://imgur.com/wgDr2Xu

Originally posted by Glorificus
So say Storm tracks air currents moving... what if Sue just created dozens of different invisible forcefield constructs all moving around and disrupting the air in the environment? How would she know which one Sue was in?

Visibility would help Storm focus on Sue specifically, otherwise she'd need to go for large AoE attacks affecting large areas. In which case, it'd be random chance if Sue happens to be in whatever large space she happens to be targeting...

Storm could extract the connections and configure so that she gets the pattern for the win.

I'd say the storm can just crush the shield with Jovian pressure. It has been broken by one punch from Hulk. Could it stand up to continuous pressures greater than Jupiter?

Are we certain that Sue's shield blocks all psionics including Storm's ill-defined atmokinesis?

Originally posted by TGATES
I'd say the storm can just crush the shield with Jovian pressure. It has been broken by one punch from Hulk. Could it stand up to continuous pressures greater than Jupiter?

Are we certain that Sue's shield blocks all psionics including Storm's ill-defined atmokinesis?

Conversely, it held up to punches from a fully merged Sentry and the entirety of the Cancerverse pressing against it for a bit.

This also ignores that if you are allowing she has a shield up, then Storm has already lost - because she can create shields and attack at the same time.

Storm can unveil the course so she gets first kill. Then nature takes its course. ‘nuff said.

Originally posted by Smurph
I'm putting low effort in because that's what your arguments merit.

1. Storm can sense the air move. She sees the world as all of its component electrons. She's seen force fields that were invisible to the Blackbird because of how it was disrupting the air.

2. I said that invisibility doesn't matter. I don't need to prove why visibility matters.

3.

4. Sue doesn't start shielded.

1. Scans: Sue's electrons are invisible.

2. So you agree that whether or not Storm can detect Sue is irrelevant? Her invisibility isn't even a necessary factor.

3. I don't see a shield - where is it? She countered heat with cold. Cold or ice won't stop Sue's constructs or a bubble to the brain.

4. Sue will have her shield up before Storm can act. Therefore, Sue starts shielded relative to Ororo.

Originally posted by TGATES
I'd say the storm can just crush the shield with Jovian pressure. It has been broken by one punch from Hulk. Could it stand up to continuous pressures greater than Jupiter?

Are we certain that Sue's shield blocks all psionics including Storm's ill-defined atmokinesis?

Also, Jovian atmospheric pressure isn't all that. It's actually an incredibly low showing for Thor.

This is the showing you are using, yes?

Most probably writer error, as Jupiter's atmospheric pressure is 'only' 10x that of Earth:

Since the lower boundary of the atmosphere is ill-defined, the pressure level of 10 bars, at an altitude of about 90 km below 1 bar with a temperature of around 340 K, is commonly treated as the base of the troposphere.[3] In scientific literature, the 1 bar pressure level is usually chosen as a zero point for altitudes—a "surface" of Jupiter.[2] As is generally the case, the top atmospheric layer, the exosphere, does not have a specific upper boundary.[15

That's high, sure - 145PSI - but nothing that Sue hasn't faced before.

Storm can expand on the possibility so that phenomena is hers to dictate. Absolute control is hers.