Proof of Oracle being the mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

During the conversation between Neo & the Architect:

The Architect - "The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother."

In the second to last sentence, look for the 1 main key word that gives it away "PSYCHE"

I know i posted this already in the "For those that have seen The Matrix 2" thread. But for those who didn't get to it here it is.

If the Oracle is in fact the Mother of the Matrix, why does the Architect scoff and say "please..." when Neo suggests it? Not that I completely disagree with your claim that she may be the Mother, but why does teh Architect seem so against that thought? Any ideas?

go to hell

That hardly makes sense. Why waste your time to type that if you don't care?

He might have scoffed because he is envious of her as she came up with a solution that he could not. He obviously holds himself in a very high regard, almost incapable of error yet he could not add the the matrix what the mother (possibly oracle) had.

That's NOT actually proof... it's still just opinion from info the film has given us.

Scoffing at the name?

Seraph: I protect that which matters most

Oracle (ETM): Who and what I am beneath remains the same (I know this isnt concrete but it backs up what Seraph says).

Still - after so many times watching it, I still think everytime that when he say's "Please", it's as if "Ha, you call her that...as if thats her real name" - you know what I mean?

Now if we take the fact that the Architect said "Psyche" AND "Intuitive", then take what the Merovingian said "The fortune teller" and all of which is said above, it is logical (maybe not correct) to come to the conclusion that the Oracle is in fact the Mother of the Matrix. A Fortune Teller is intuitive (they know what is going to happen) and they also investigate the Human Psyche (they have to - part of their job). The facts point towards her unless by some big twist it turns out to be Persephone (who in fact, in the teaser from the cinema, she is dressed in Black & Red Leather with bright Red lipstick on........sexy ***** 😛)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That's NOT actually proof... it's still just opinion from info the film has given us.

I agree 100 percent. Honestly I do not believe the W Bros would make it that easy anyway.

How hard can it be, there are only 2 female programs that we know of. So it is one or the other (or someone we haven't even seen - which is very unlikely) - all evidence thus far leads to it being the Oracle.

well it hardly necessitates the 15 exclamation points this thread title contains. however . . . even though it's not proof, it is logic. because we know of no better alternative. so i accept it, for now. then again, the w. bros seem apt to throw wrenches wherever they please. the mother might as well be the woman in the red dress, for all we know.

Yes, I agree that it is mostl likely to be the Oracle but it was still not proof! Proof would be someone actively saying she was the Oracle in the film, or the Brothers letting it slip, or something.

can any1 tell me if the oracle's appearance changes in matrix revolutions because in ener the matrix game her appearance has because she chose to help Neo and his buddies and the Merovingian warned her she would pay for it. and she said "he is a man of his word" and she looks different in the game.

Yes, mostly likely different in Revolutions

I heard that the real reason why they have a different character is because the original Oracle died, but I don't know if that goes along with the storyline that the W. Bros intended, so I don't know.

bigbadbike2 I see you are a Nicky Hayden fan...

The beauty of the MATRIX so far, is that 'MOTHER' could be either of the two ladies suggested... and still be plausible; Just as Zion may still be in the matrix... or it may be the real world. My bet is that Persephone is the mother. Lets go back to the statement from the Architect that was used to support the claim that the ORACLE is the mother, from the original thread

"....Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother...."

this stands out: CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE HUMAN PSYCHE

I also site this statement as support for my theory. Who is Persephone if not a very SENSUAL being?! (I have to agree with you, Sifer) And I believe she is a program - a lesser program, as described by the Architect - that specialized in human emotions. which indeed is a aspect of human psyche that is VERY different from the supreme logic of the Architech. And what more powerful emotion than LOVE?!! That is what was missing from the Architects first attempts at the matrix. That is what makes the 'world go round'. The Oracle is wise and mystical - but be honest, she no lover. And she would admit this herself - she always has 'bad news' for Neo. No. The Architect discovered through Persephone's INTUITION that an emotional attachment would be the trick to keep 99% of the human race inline. That is why I believe she wanted a Kiss. The Merovingian used to be like Neo, she said. But like many powerful men with raging hormones (think about a certain politician) - can lose TRUE LOVE and go for the latest fling (the blonde cake-baited floozy). Face it - she is used not only by Merovingian, but by the Architect and the Matrix itself, and was never reciprocated. Thus the kiss - to SAMPLE the product of her existence. The real deal. No. She is not so much the 'MOTHER' as she is the 'Wet Nurse' that gave birth to the secret of humanity (Love), only to watch the end results amounting to no more than CAUSALITY.

I think that the mother is most likely Persephone because she even said herself that she is an emotional vampire and when she let hte keymaker out mervingian didn't do anything which leads me to believe that she is very powerful, more than Mero, if someone as powerful as Mero let's her do anything she wants it says alot about her character.

I post some pretty stupid threads from time to time. BUt this my friend takes the cake. Winner of stupidest post of the year!

u mean the cookie...

no cookies are for good posts. this one gets the blue pill.