I think that you couldn't be more wrong with the Grandfather/Grandson love. Perhaps its something MORE that we won't get until its placed before us. But as for the people who go behind the veil and can never come back, I hardly doubt that is true. And I don't know if Harry or Luna's parents (or mother) are stuck behind the veil. I think people are only noticing the obvious, but they need to think deeper. Its going to be the most obvious thing, but no one is going to be able to put two and two together.
I know my theory sounds a bit odd, but Harry's reaction could prove it: I think Harry could hear the voices because someone behind the veil (probably his dead parents) was calling him. When he heard the voices, he forgot why he was in the Mystery (and saving Sirius was his only thought minutes ago!) and he only wanted to get nearer...the veil/the voices attracted him. I think - whatever the voices are- they tempted him to go through the veil. And how does someone tempt one another?! By calling.
Pfft. No, how does someone call another? BY CALLING THEM. And just because Harry hears voices from beind the veil, that doesn't mean that it is his parents. And I don't know where you get your theory of the veil making Harry momentarilly lose his thoughts. I don't know about you, but if a curtain was talking to me, then I think I would focus of it for a moment or two as well. As for your theory, I think that SURE, it COULD be Harry's parents. But it COULD be someone else. Everything else you say is just annoying and flawed.
Hey, calm down, okay?! As nobody except JKR knows what will happen it would be nice if you could try to be a bit more polite and open-minded about other people's thoughts! I didn't say it has to be, it was just a thought of mine, okay?!
Back to the topic...of course a speaking curtain would focus me for a moment. But Harry was there to save tortured Sirius's life and with that intention, with the thought of being to late, with the thought of losing his godfather in mind, I doubt he wouldn't have stopped if something didn't force him to (maybe unconsciously...) And remember how he reacted when Ginny wanted to stop and to watch "the egg"...I mean, if you find a speaking curtain fascinating then you'll find that egg thing interesting too, don't you?!
And about the Harry's-parents-behind-the-veil-theory:
Okay, before you cut off my head again let my say it's just my own speculation!
We don't know if the spell or the veil killed Sirius but it seems to me it was the veil. That leads me to think that if you pass through the veil you will be dead. Now you could interpret that the space behind the veil is the "afterworld" or whatever, the place where you are when you're dead. That could be proved by the voices you can hear through the veil and Luna's statement saying she's able to talk to her dead mother through the veil because she is behind the veil!!!! We don't know exactly how Luna's mother and Harry's parents died, but they're definitely dead. So if Luna's mother lives after her dead behind the veil, Harry's parents do it probably too. Regarding the facts saying only Luna and Harry can hear the voices, they need to have something in common which Neville, Hermione etc. don't have. What is it?! Luna's and Harry's parents are dead. According to that they can hear the voices because their parents, now being behind the veil, are dead. Does it still seem that far fetched to say Harry and Luna can hear the voices because their parents are calling them?!
Sirus is toast, JK said she cried when she killed him which i presume means she's not bringing him back. Excellent thought Kristina, and whoever's pickin on her, leave her alone, he points are valid and appreciated by most. Even though i am of the belief that Sirus is long gone, I have a distinct feeling that this is not the last time that Harry will get to speak to him. Maybe Harry will be able to visit the Ministry and go talk to him through the veil. I guess only the 6th and 7th books will be able to tell us for sure.
I am replying to Kristina on this post, then I'll ge to the other one. First of all, I don't ever recall Luna saying "I talk to my mother through the veil" so don't bring it up. And you shouldn't say obsurd things then expect everyone to agree with you. But who is to say what killed Sirius? For all you know a big hairy monester is behid the veil that eats you when you cross behind it and then mimicks your voice (don't take that seriously, it was sarcastic.) And I doubt you are a physcologist and that you know what people think in certain situations, so I think that the veil controlling Harry's thoughts, or someone else making Harry get focused of the veil is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Not only is it down there with Sirius flying away on Buckbeak, but its actually annoying that you think that someone controlled Harry's thoughts in order to get him to concentrate of the veil. HE WAS JUST INTERESTED IN IT> Holy macaroni, there is no big explanation, no person controlling him. He was just interested. Deal with it. Nobody wanted Harry to look and the veil, and think :Hey, voices!" No, Harry heard the voices and due to curiousity, he thought about the veil. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a breakthrough.
Now, as for Linkalicious...Just because Sirius is dead, doesn't mean that he can't come back...but that doesn't mean I don't agree with your other points. But I don't think Harry needs the veil to talk with Sirius, I think the mirror has more of a plan than to simply show what might have been...so perhaps that is going to play a big point.
Yeah...but as for Luna talking to her dead mum, she doesn't, but she talks ABOUT he dead mum, and u know how ron and ppl couldnt hear them ppl in the viel? well i think its like the threshals. Anyway Luna did talk about seeing her mum again (while saying Harry would see Sirius again) but refered to it as when they die....so yeah I do think Sirius is dead.
...Luna DID say that she still talks to her mother. My point was that she never said how. I can't even reply to that, because all you are doing is stating things but you don't back up any of it. We don't know why Ron and "ppl" (by the way, just type out the freaking word or don't say anything at all) couldn't hear voices behind the veil. For all we know, it could be because they weren't born on a Tuesday. The fact is that if you are going to try and defend something, at least talk about it instead of simply saying a few things here or there. Its tiring.
Rosebloom, a lot of things could be although they sound far fetched! Just remember book 3: Who would have thought that Scabbers is Peter Pettigrew?! And when you were reading book 4, would you have expected that the real Moody was trapped in his case for a year?! JKR is too brilliant to let the predictable things happen.
And I still doubt that Harry was just interested in the veil. I think you got me wrong: I didn't say something or someone manupulated Harry's thoughts, I only say that the veil (or the voices behind the veil) attract Harry. When he hears the voices it seems to me that he kind of loses his mind (I doubt that's the right expression for what I mean..you hopefully know what I mean!). I think a good example to explain what I mean is Frodo trying to put on the ring. Although he knows that he will probably be dead when he puts the ring on he always tries to, in a kind of "trance". I reckon the veil or the voices behind have the same effects on Harry. And it seems to me that Hermione reminding Harry of Sirius was that what took Harry back to reality, like Sam always has to hit Frodo.
Rosebloom, I don't mind if you don't agree with me, but as nobody except JKR - even not YOU - knows what will happen, it would be very nice of you if you could try not to kill everyone who hasn't got your opinion!
I didn't even bother to read the second part of your post. The first thing is, Kristina, that no. We don't expect a lot of things but at least those things weren't stupidly farfetched. If you ask me, I would be interested if I heard voices behind the veil, and if that just so happened to direct my attention for a moment, then so be it. And you needn't bring LOTR into this. I didn't even read that post but I am sure that I would have just cynically capsized that as well.
At least if I die, and I am going to die correct and when the last books come out you can see how you were WRONG and then it will all be so sweet. Ya see, if you are going to say something, expect it to be contradicted or don't say anything at all. No need for you to go on the defensive perspective. You say something, and I cynically remark. If you don't like it, then you can go die fat and wrong.
I agree with Rosebloom. I mean think of the way jkr desribed harry being drawn to the pensive yet when he hears voices behind the viel he is just curious. And as Luna is my fav character i was really mad when you said she said she would speak to her mother from behind the viel. WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT FROM. What she said WAS: "Its not as though i'll never see mum again is it?" That could mean anything like SHE will see her when she herself dies. I think the archway could be some kind of doorway inbetween life and death. Once you go through you cant come back. And luna did say that they were lrking behind the viel out of sight but that doesn't mean they can just pop out for a chat.
Okay, okay... I looked it up - I was wrong - sorry. Luna didn't make it clear HOW she could talk to her dead mother again, but she didn't let us much space to think of other possibilities as talking through the veil either:
"It's not as thought I'll never see Mum again, is it?"
"Er - isn't it?"
(...)
"Oh come on. You heard them, just behind the veil, didn't you?"
"You mean..."
"In that room with the archway. They were just lurking out of sight, that's all. You heard them."
This is for LUNA: HA! Finally a follower/believer. Though, you can't exactly say that once you go past the veil you can't come back, then say they can pop out for a chat. I think people are taking the veil past its limit, who says its the gateway to death? Maybe its just some magical thing like the mirror that you can't exactly explain. It could be anything, I don't know why so many people say its the gateway to death.
This is to KRISTINA: Pfft, wonderful job of reading the texts. Nothing more to say. Wish you would have the first time.