Originally posted by SuperiorTech
damn this storm thing is starting to approach the level of the wolverine and hulk worship
There is no Wolverine worship, and the majority of regulars here actually give the Hulk his due, without overrating him.
The people that 'worship' either character are few and far between.
Originally posted by Rutog98There's no way in hell Storm could beat Xavier. All he would have to do is make her think she was trapped and feel claustrophobic, and she'd go limp. He could make her kill herself...now put her against someone even more powerful like Phoenix...shit, storm doesn't stand a chance. Phoenix can do virtually whatever she wants. When Storm can devour a sun, get back to me. Hell, it takes her like 2 minutes to conjure up a good tornado.
Storm would kill Xavier in a fight. Even without her powers, the force of will of the lady alone is more than what his psi powers can handle. She could knife him while she was powerless and him being still in possession of his TP power.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
There's no way in hell Storm could beat Xavier. All he would have to do is make her think she was trapped and feel claustrophobic, and she'd go limp. He could make her kill herself...now put her against someone even more powerful like Phoenix...shit, storm doesn't stand a chance. Phoenix can do virtually whatever she wants. When Storm can devour a sun, get back to me. Hell, it takes her like 2 minutes to conjure up a good tornado.
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Too true, too true.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
There's no way in hell Storm could beat Xavier. All he would have to do is make her think she was trapped and feel claustrophobic, and she'd go limp. He could make her kill herself...now put her against someone even more powerful like Phoenix...shit, storm doesn't stand a chance. Phoenix can do virtually whatever she wants. When Storm can devour a sun, get back to me. Hell, it takes her like 2 minutes to conjure up a good tornado.
😂 @ this nonsense.
1st point] Wrong. Xavier notes in X-treme 5 that he can barely make TP contact with Storm under NORMAL circumstances.
2nd point] wrong. Find an issue where it takes he "like 2 minutes" to conjur a Tornando. How dumb can you be??? The dumbest. 😂
And Storm has harnessed millions of suns in Uncanny 165.
U lost, now go kill yourself 😆
Originally posted by 2damnloud😬
😂 @ this nonsense.1st point] Wrong. Xavier notes in X-treme 5 that he can barely make TP contact with Storm under NORMAL circumstances.
2nd point] wrong. Find an issue where it takes he "like 2 minutes" to conjur a Tornando. How dumb can you be??? The dumbest. 😂
And Storm has harnessed millions of suns in Uncanny 165.
U lost, now go kill yourself 😆
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm vs. the Phoenix Force? Ignoring PIS and giving both characters their full range of abilities as stated in canon it would come down to wills. Fact is, both of them are powered by life and can wield unlimited energies. In other words, they attacks would only strengthen each other. It would come down to wills since the only way one could beat the other is to absorb the other and the stronger will reigns supreme. Storm's willpower is stronger than the hosts of the PF.Storm trumps. Her will is stronger than Jean's or Rachel's.
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Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm vs. the Phoenix Force? Ignoring PIS and giving both characters their full range of abilities as stated in canon it would come down to wills. Fact is, both of them are powered by life and can wield unlimited energies. In other words, they attacks would only strengthen each other. It would come down to wills since the only way one could beat the other is to absorb the other and the stronger will reigns supreme. Storm's willpower is stronger than the hosts of the PF.Storm trumps. Her will is stronger than Jean's or Rachel's.
That's . Just . Sad
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Never heard of thatI demand you post scans
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6445/stormandthegalaticcore15zq.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9628/stormandthegalaticcore29bc.jpg
"The process is surprisingly simple, no more actually than she does when she draws energy from the Earth to manipulate the weather -- But, in this case, things are magnified to an unimaginable degree."
"This must be the Galactic Core, Millions of suns, crammed into a relatively tiny volume of space -- living stars, living worlds , and from each I draw both spiritual and material sustenance.
That sudden influx of power caught the embryo off-guard and enabled me to reverse the transformation."
On Earth whenever Storm uses her power she harnesses "spiritual and material energy" from the Earth so that she can manipulate the weather. It's the same in those scans...the "Galactic Core" is the Earth in that scenario...and Storm is harnessing the spiritual "energy" of the Core as she would do if she was on Earth.
The core in terms of "spiritual and material energy" is far greater then that of the Earth because it contains many living worlds and stars therefore the output would also be magnified.
So in actual fact Storm didn't manipulate the composite energy of any of those stars in those scans. In fact even if she tried she wouldn't be able to since it's not in her powerset to do so. She summoned the spiritual energy of the Galactic Core as she would do if she was trying to manipulate the weather on Earth as the scan states. That "spiritual energy" is what allows her to manipulate the weather. The feat is also one that cannot be replicated outside the Galactic Core.
Spite thread Phoenix wins.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
"BOTH spiritual AND material"
Correction...Both "Spiritual and Material sustenance". There's a really big difference between the two.
And yeah she summoned spiritual and material sustenance from the entire core. Similarly to how she does so from the Earth whenever she uses her powers as the scan states. Which is vastly different to saying that she manipulated the composite energy of the millions of stars in the core. In fact she didn't manipulate the composite energy of a single star in that feat. So the artistic imtepretation and narrative of this feat now actually make a lot of sense.
Yeah her spirit was strong enough to contain Eternity's consciousness in the Fantastic Four #550 issue due to Dr. Strange. Good feat. Don't see what it has to with this though.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Correction...Both "Spiritual and Material [b]sustenance" big difference. [/B]
Just like Jean as Dark Phoenix.
Just give up.
It's no denying she harnesses the power of millions of Suns.
The spiritual and material influx of power from just being in the midst of the core caught the Brood empryo off guard and reversed the transformation.
Storm took this as her cue to summon the ENTIRE thing and thusly kill the embryo, as the scan clearly states.
She summons the power to the ENTIRE CORE.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She summons the power to the ENTIRE CORE.
Agreed with this, and like the scan says its similar to how she summons power from the Earth so that she uses her powers to manipulate the weather. So all in all she didn't manipulate any stars in that feat.
The Phoenix feeds off Scotts Optic Blasts similar to how it feeds off the Sun. Its different to what Storm did. Storm harnesses the "power"(Spiritual and Material sustenance) the Entire Core just like how she harnesses "power"(Spiritual and Material sustenance) from the Earth whenever she uses her power.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
If Exodus wasn't so dense, he'd realize that what he suggest actually makes Storm even MORE powerful.😂
Not really...it just makes her the same Storm we all know and love. I have no problem with Storms connection to nature. And for the record I have no problem with writers amping up Storm. If she were suddenly retconned into a Phoenix-Like being tommorrow I'd be fine with it. As long as it happens on panel...and there aren't any convoluted interpretations so to speak.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
If Exodus wasn't so dense, he'd realize that what he suggest actually makes Storm even MORE powerful.😂
It depends really on your point of view .
What Exodus is trying to say is that what Storm performed under the Galactic core can only be replicated in a similar area , because she practically does what she does on earth only that the Galactic core enhances her power sort to speak .
Think of it as Polaris for example . She becomes stronger by drawing power from Earth's Magnetic Field , but there are planets where if she would go she would get even stronger .
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Agreed with this, and like the scan says its similar to how she summons power from the Earth so that she uses her powers to manipulate the weather. So all in all she didn't manipulate any stars in that feat.The Phoenix feeds off Scotts Optic Blasts similar to how it feeds off the Sun. Its different to what Storm did. Storm harnesses the "power"(Spiritual and Material sustenance) the Entire Core just like how she harnesses "power"(Spiritual and Material sustenance) from the Earth whenever she uses her power.
Power is not sustence.
The spiritual and material influx is what caught the brood of gaurd and reversed the tranformation long enough for her to harness the core in it's ENTIRETY, as the scan states.
It's a simple sequence of events.
What you suggest is that Storm has the ability to somehow convert physical matter into spiritual energy. 😱 And here I thought you were a strict proponent of Storm using WEATHER PATTERNS, but now she converts the physical into the spiritual. 😄
The last argument we had on the subject, you concede that she harnessed physical energy, but totally and utterly denied that she even harnessed it in it's entirely, now you argue she harnessed it in it's entirely, but she is somehow such an adept magik user/spiritist/ shaman/ high priestess that she can convert the entire thing into some kind of spiritual energy?? 😂
All of this in a bid to get around the fact that the scan clearly states that it's the power of the entire core, and the implications are too great for you to grasp. 😂
If a differenetion is actally made in the fifth panel, it is NOT being made in the eighth because it simple says "POWER of the the ENTIRE core".
No differentiation is made between spiritual or material and what she is actually harnessing, but the "how much" is actually plainly written out--ENTIRE CORE
I say she harnessed both the spiritual and material value/summation of the entire thing.
The scan clearly supports me since a differentiation is not made when she finally summons it.
