Registered: Apr 2005
Location: United States, Colorado, Denver
Plot holes in Episode III
I just watched ANH the other night and noticed half of what Obi Won was saying to Luke didn't happen in the prequels. If anyone has any explinations please let me know. For example. He mentiones Luke's Uncle thought that Anikan shouldn't have gotten invoved in the Clone Wars. ??? I don't get it.
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: In "Devil May Cry" movie
Re: Plot holes in Episode III
I wouldn't see that particular point as a plot hole as it is just a characters opinion. The Jedi ended up serving as military generals during the clone wars, as opposed to their traditional role as peacekeepers. I am sure that 20 years on, many people would view the Jedi's involvement in the clone wars as a mistake (i.e. they shuoldn't have gotten involved)
1)obi doesnt recognise the droids (but cud be lying)
2)the alien at the bar bleeds from a lightsaber wound (but could be a species thing)
3)the stormtroopers look way too simple compared to the ep3 troopers, i dont think they would design the ep4 suit as the next step in reality...
I'm so sick of people pointing out inconsistencies....
People lie. They're not infallable. When luke said, "What do you remember of your movther?" Leia wasn't gonna say, "not a thing" and then walk away. She just bullshitted like the good little senator that she was. Obi was was BLATANTLY LYING TO LUKE. End of story.
To answer these three questions...
1)He is lying
2)It's a **** up that was SUPPOSED to be fixed in the DVD
3)The clone wars was an elaborate ground battle. 19 years of nothing but gurreila spacefights has made the stormtroopers pretty much obsolete. They don't need to be elaborate, anymore.
Oh yes, OB1 is a liar, nothing new there. But Leia??? that's a new thing. I think PAdme dying was a bad choice. Makes the ROTJ convo with the teddy bears totally unbelievable. It would have been, IMHO, much more dramatic if Padme were to see her twins split up and live in a remorseful exile for the remainder of her life. Much more damage than a death... but okay. George hasn't been demonstrating a great affinity with human emotions in the PT, so what the heck eh? Lots of lightsabres probably make up for it in his view.
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusettes, United States
I don't see why people find it impossible to think Leia is talking about Bail's wife as her mother. She's like an adopted child that isn't told she is adopted until she graduates high school or something.
Because it's clear that she knows what Luke is talking about: her REAL mother. Plus the sadness-thing becomes totally irrelevant if she's talking about Bail's wife. Who cares, a lot of people were sad whn the Emperor rose to power/ Hardly worthwhile mentioning that.
its not clear...he askes BEFORE he tells her she's really a Skywalker...she may not know. I think it could very easily be either. its very vague either way.
I don't think so. It's not some casual chat there. He states it clearly as "your REAL mother", and Leia doesn't look up like: "Whatcha mean my REAL mother, I only have one mother..." No, this is clearly an attempt by Luke to get a hold of his true identity, since he has so little.
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusettes, United States
Luke doesn't know that Leia was not with her (and his) real mother and that [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Leia and his real mother died in childbirth. He only knows they are siblings, he could very easily be assuming Leia lived with their real mother.
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusettes, United States
I don't know if there was any EU stuff about it but I would imagine most people didn't know it, they didn't lnow it either way. They probably assumed, just as Luke may have, that she was with her real mother.
And there is no doubt about this whole issue, people. Luke finds out that Leia is his sister, knowing she was raised by the Organa's. To get hold of his true identity (OB1 just told him lies about his father and the rest about Anakin is just a black mask that chopped off his hand) he asks about his mother. Since he never knew her, he hopes that his sister remembers a glimpse. It's simple, but screwed up now by ROTS.
queeq> good point also, no reaction of "strange choice of words..." from Leia. And I don't think Lucas was making it so deep, I think it was supposed to be as simple as it seems...but then there's the whole cave in ESB which a lot of people still can't figure out. Sometimes he's just not very clear on what it is hes trying to say.
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusettes, United States
I don't think it's messed up. The point is Luke knows who raised Leia, but he doesn't have ANY clue that they weren't his real parents. Obi-wan never tells him that. Nobody tells him that, so what reason would he have to believe otherwise? Does anyone here go around thinking your parents are actually adopted even though nobody has told you anything to suggest it? No, people assume their parents are legitimate unless something indicated otherwise.
May 10th, 2005 11:21 PM
John 3:16 ^Thanks Ast Rofan^
