Ood Bnar Comparison: DE Luke vs Kun

We all remember Ood right? 💃

Well it occurred to me that it might be an idea to collate all the evidence of Luke Skywalker superiority over Exar Kun as of Dark Empire based on their respective encounters with the Jedi Master. Make of the following what you will. Credit to MythLord and Azronger, for bringing the following sources to the fore. May the light of Sheev go with you. 🙂

Establishing Contexts
Ood Bnar was an ancient and powerful Jedi master who was confronted by Kun during the Great Sith War, the Sith Lord seeking to steal the Jedi artefacts that he was protecting. Unable to defeat Kun in combat, Bnar resorted to drawing on energy deep within the planet's core, blowing Kun away with an explosion of energy and forming an impenetrable defence that his enemy could not break.

The event in question:

Part I: http://i.imgur.com/hhXMbn0.jpg
Part II: http://i.imgur.com/WHeJlOw.jpg

And some relevant supplementary material:

Taken from Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 6: Dark Lord (http://i.imgur.com/TmhAuWi.jpg)

Ood resists Kun's attempt to steal the lightsabers by undergoing a final metamorphosis, plunging roots into the ground and driving Kun back with a blast of power drawn from the depths of Ossus.

Taken from The Official Star Wars Fact File #119 (http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111282615/5393743-2113163999-53387.png)

Ood was defeated in combat, but had one last trick Kun had not anticipated. Drawing on the Living Force, Ood literally grew roots and burrowed into the ground. He formed an impenetrable barrier of the Force that even Exar Kun could not cross.

"Do not grieve for me, Thon. This is my metamorphosis, my life cycle. I have shielded my lightsaber treasures... I have defeated Exar Kun... I am satisfied. And perhaps, my friends, Ossus will protect me... enough."

-- Jedi Master Ood Bnar, Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 6: Dark Lord

Thousands of years later and Bnar is encountered by Luke Skywalker, who after a scuffle with Sedriss, ends up having the Executor ensnared in his grip. Sedriss tried to kill him by channelling the energies of the charged atmosphere, seemingly unable to defeat his opponent outright as he did Kun, Bnar retaliates by engulfing (and obliterating) them both in a massive explosion of energy, drawing on the same well of power he had those centuries ago, and catching Luke and a native Force sensitive, a Shamaness named Jem, in the blast.

The event in question:

Part I: http://i.imgur.com/aXwN2ZA.jpg
Part II: http://i.imgur.com/D6YjxtO.jpg

And again, some relevant supplementary material:

Taken from The New Essential Guide to Characters

When Sedriss called down electricity from the atmosphere, Ood drew up power from Ossus' core. The two combatants annihilated each other.

Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopaedia

Several thousand years later on the planet Ossus, Bnar reawakened to help save Jem Ysanna, a young woman with powers in the Force. He ultimately sacrificed himself to destroy the evil Imperial Military Executor Sedriss.

Taken from Dark Empire II: Audio Drama

Kam: Luke, can you feel that?

Luke: Sedriss is drawing dark power out of the atmosphere, but Master Ood is drawing energy from the ground beneath. The strain is tearing this place apart.

Taken from Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Using his force powers, Ood destroyed himself and Sedriss forever.

The Misconception: Bnar's Powers Had Diminished
First of all to address the notion that as of Dark Empire the power of the Living Force than Bnar relied upon would've been diminished, a seemingly logical conclusion given the barren state of the world. However, it neglects to note that Bnar was drawing not from the surface of the world, but from reserves deep within the planet's core, a buried source of power that it's made clear in both instances is what he's harnessing:

Taken from Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 5: Brother Against Brother

Taken from The New Essential Guide to Characters (http://i.imgur.com/P8VI68g.png)

When Sedriss called down electricity from the atmosphere, Ood drew up power from Ossus' core.

Taken from Dark Empire II 3: World of the Ancient Sith

Kun can certainly imagine the power that can be harnessed from the surface of a world, given he constructed the Dark Reaper for the express purpose of exploiting that energy source. Ergo we are dealing with something distinct from the life energy of the surface, and untouched for thousands of years, should have remained intact, and every bit was potent.

Exar Kun vs Executor Sedriss: Threatening Bnar
The first and most obvious comparison is between Sedriss and Kun's ability to threaten Ood. In which case Sedriss comes out on top.

For although unlike against Kun Ood did not appear to raise a barrier to defend himself, he should still have possessed the power to do so. In that respect opting for a suicidal offense (which threatened not only him, but those around him) over a comparatively safer defensive option, strongly suggests the latter was non-viable, because the energy Sedriss wielded was too powerful. In other words by drawing "dark power" from the planet's "charged atmosphere", Sedriss was able to harness energy in excess of what Kun, centuries earlier, would've have been able to muster.

This certainly isn't proof Sedriss is better than Kun altogether, as the former was amping himself through external forces, but he does appear to compare to some degree. Itself not surprising considering he had been transformed by the powers of DE Palpatine in a ritual act that was capable of causing powerful disturbances in the Force, felt across the galaxy.

Nonetheless he ultimately proved no match for of Luke, who instead overpowered him with telekinesis:

Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

Sedriss followed Skywalker and another Jedi Knight, Kam Solusar, to the devastated world of Ossus, once a Jedi stronghold. There, Skywalker hoped to retrieve ancient Jedi artifacts, but before he could uncover much, Sedriss confronted him. Sedriss found himself overwhelmed by Skywalker's control of the Force.

Exar Kun vs Luke Skywalker: Enduring the Blast
The second comparison is directly between Luke and Kun. In which case Luke was caught in Bnar's power in a relatively similar manner to Kun, except that 1. in Luke's case the energies were more potent 2. in Luke's case he emerged better off.

First off prior to the explosion both Luke and Kun were a short distance from Bnar. Kun moving towards Bnar to strike him down, while Luke was attempting to rescue Jem:

A) B)

They both being blindsided and blown away by the ensuing explosion (you'll note in particular that Luke was disarmed), unleashed from the planet's core - which in Luke's case appeared much more potent:

A) B)
[quote]Taken from Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 6: Dark Lord (http://i.imgur.com/TmhAuWi.jpg)

Ood resists Kun's attempt to steal the lightsabers by undergoing a final metamorphosis, plunging roots into the ground and driving Kun back with a blast of power drawn from the depths of Ossus.

Taken from Dark Empire II 3: World of the Ancient Sith

Flung to the ground, Luke and the young Shamaness Jem suddenly find themselves eye to eye.

A)

B)
[quote]Taken from Dark Empire II Audio Drama

Jem: Alive... I'm alive! How...?

Luke: The Force... I used it to shield us."

The fact that on top of this Luke was again in a weakened state, and of course the energies Luke was subject too were visible more potent, invalidating any mitigating circumstances (read, grasping excuses 🙂 ) that might be inferable.

The Conclusion
Altogether we have a comparison that is two-fold, one pertains to Luke's offensive capabilities power-scaled through Sedriss, and one pertains to his defensive capabilities through a direct comparison between himself and Kun. In the former case, Luke, through Sedriss, demonstrated that he would likely prove a superior threat to the Jedi Master Bnar, and in the latter case, did a superior job of handling Ood's potent Force energy.

Indeed, the conclusion is as clear as it is final. DE Luke > Exar Kun. 🙂

Very nice 🙂

Yet, a weakened Kun wrecked a Luke Skywalker who, "redoubled" in power shit.

😂

Good, goood.

A most interesting and well-formed argument.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yet, a weakened Kun wrecked a Luke Skywalker who, "redoubled" in power shit.

😂

Quotes make it clear Kyp's power were insignificant compared to even spirit Kun's, and that he didn't have complete access to his full capabilities while channeling it through the trainees.

This Luke wank needs to stop. 😂

This was already debunked, thoroughly. Get with the times, Ben.

Sorry Beni, none of these comparison are particularly compelling compared to what happend in Jedi Academy. Even if Luke is Kun's equal in raw power or his better, he doesn't have the mastery to compete with him until later years.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Quotes make it clear Kyp's power were insignificant compared to even spirit Kun's, and that he didn't have complete access to his full capabilities while channeling it through the trainees.

This Luke wank needs to stop. 😂

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Sorry Beni, none of these comparison are particularly compelling compared to what happend in Jedi Academy. Even if Luke is Kun's equal in raw power, he doesn't have the mastery to compete with him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This was already debunked, thoroughly. Get with the times, Ben.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yet, a weakened Kun wrecked a Luke Skywalker who, "redoubled" in power shit.

😂

With a technique Luke had no experience against. Kun would lose a battle of conventional powers.

Kind of sad that you wasted all this effort trying to resurrect this shit theory tbh.

This was a great analysis btw, Beni.

@Beni:

Nice rebuttal, Beni. Kyp's power was stated as "feeble", and he couldn't even penetrate the barrier put up by Corran Horn until Kun amped him. Per Horn himself, Kyp attacks were like light breezes on it's own, while, with Kun amping him, it was like gales of wind. Also the quotes make it pretty clear that Kun had access to some of his power and not all.

Keep dreaming though, boo. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Kind of sad that you wasted all this effort trying to resurrect this shit theory tbh.

Originally posted by Azronger
With a technique Luke had no experience against. Kun would lose a battle of conventional powers.

Kun's lightning alone was doing Luke in, even before the complex sorcery was added into the equation, if I recall correctly.

We should start counting all the times Neph has been in denial. It's kinda amusing.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Kun's lightning alone was doing Luke in, even before the complex sorcery was added into the equation, if I recall correctly.

Lightning, combined with exotic tentacle rape.