Originally posted by Q99
Yea. Obito piggiebacked off of someone else's plan and ganked it when he was on the ropes, which is a lot cooler.
Originally posted by AuraAngelyeah, Aizen was pretty much infallible the entire time, and was only beaten when Ichi-Sue himself trumped him.
That and Obito showed way more moments of weakness that freaking Aizen."Gin just attacked Aizen at his absolute most powerful. I wonder if it'll work? =D"
I really was not expecting Obito to turn it around like this.
that weakness makes Obito more likable than Aizen; him ending up in a position of power isn't the same as Aizen ALWAYS being in control and seemingly unbeatable.
also, as i mentioned before, Aizen was just a giant tool. The guy was like every 80's movie villain rolled into one unbearable package.
Chapter would have been better if Madara would have done what Obito did.
1. It would have made more sense for Madara to do that since it was actually his plan.
2. It makes more sense for Madara to be able to quickly seal the Ten-Tails into himself like that because he's supposed to be hax.
3. It would make more sense for Madara to not really care that his revival was stopped.
4. Obito should have died and it was ALMOST the perfect death for Obito that would forshadow would Kakashi would have to do to Sasuke (I am sap for excellent symbolism and foreshadowing). It was a great moment and flashback that was had for Obito through Minato. Almost...but Kishimoto had to **** up an otherwise great ending for a great character.
5. The big bad could have been Madara, afterall...since he was the big bad from nearly the beginning (only the "evil" twin son of the Great Sage can lay claim to being the ultimate/original big bad in the ninja world...which could still happen: we don't know).
Originally posted by Q99
Yea. Obito piggiebacked off of someone else's plan and ganked it when he was on the ropes, which is a lot cooler.
How is piggybacking off of someone else's plan cooler in your opinion?
IMO, Tobi setting things up to lead to the present day outcome was cool, not his 'piggy-backing', and saying 'NO U' to Madara's Rinne Tensei attempt was ballsy, but seeing as Minato was ultimately the one who stopped Madara's attempt to revive himself...
Tobi's a better villain since his plans have not always worked out, he's had to constantly revise his stratagems, and he's actually fallible, yet he still manages to one-up everyone.
Kubo had to neuter Aizen's intelligence, his greatest asset, in order to explain his loss to Ichigo & Urahara. Before that, he had the most broken ability in the HST, and was insanely good at using other characters like his own chess pieces.
Originally posted by Kento
I think its cool Obito became the host. Though, Madara should have been revived. Revived Madara < Edo Tensei Madara. No spamming every jutsu, not able to take every hit. Obito also may have became the Ten-Tails host, but is he going to attack everyone or attack Madara?
Which makes me think that Madara didn't actually plan on becoming the host or reviving himself.
Me thinks this is all part of Madara's plan.
Here is one possible explanation: something else has to happen for the Moon's Eye plan that requires the 10-Tails being extracted from the host which will kill the host.
Originally posted by dadudemonThat would suck for Obito.
Which makes me think that Madara didn't actually plan on becoming the host or reviving himself.Me thinks this is all part of Madara's plan.
Here is one possible explanation: something else has to happen for the Moon's Eye plan that requires the 10-Tails being extracted from the host which will kill the host.
Doing some previously-discussed ones.
Stats:
SSS-
Juubi (Incomplete)
SS+
Madara Uchiha (with Rinnegan + Wood)^
Naruto Uzumaki (with Power Lending)
SS
Hashirama^
Madara Uchiha (EMS only)^
Naruto Uzumaki (Full Partnership)
Obito (Jinchuuriki Paths)^
SS-
Kurama (Full power)
Nagato (Pain or Solo)
S+
Itachi Uchiha
Izuna Uchiha
Gedō Mazō
Gyūki
Kabuto Yakushi (Post-Merged Sage)*
Killerbee
Minato Namikaze
Mito Uzumaki
Muu
Naruto Uzumaki (Kyuubi chakra mode)
Obito (Sharingan only)^
Onoki
Sasuke Uchiha (Complete Susano'o)
Second Mizukage
Third Raikage
Yagura
S
A (Raikage)
Danzo (with implant jutsu)
Deidara
Deva Path (Yahiko/Pain)
Fū (Jinchuuriki)
Gaara (Kage)
Jiraiya
Han
Kakashi Hatake (Mastered Kamui)
Kakuzu
Kisame Hoshigaki (with Samehada)
Konan*
Kushina Uzumaki
Manda II
Mei Terumi
Might Gai (part 2)
Naruto Uzumaki (Sage Mode)*
Orochimaru*
Roshi
Sandaime Kazekage (3rd)
Sasori
Sasuke Uchiha (Orochimaru merge/mangekyo w/incomplete susano'o)
Shukaku
Tsunade
Utakata
Yondaime Kazekage (4th)
Yugito Nii
S-
Chiyo
Dan Katō
Danzo (without implant jutsu)
Darui
Fukasaku
Ginkaku
Hidan
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Old)
Kakashi Hatake (start of part 2)
Kimimaro Kaguya (healthy)
Kinkaku
Kisame Hoshigaki (without Samehada)
Kitsuchi
Mangetsu Hōzuki (Swords)
Mifune
Sakura Haruno (Yin seal)
Sasuke Uchiha (start of part 2)
Shima
Shisui Uchiha
Zetsu (Black half or Complete)
*These characters have jutsu that require specific preparation that can't be done mid combat but increase their ability significantly, such as Edo Tensei, preparing multiple sage-mode charges, or readying unusual amounts of explosive tags.
^These characters have high-level Biju control of tailed beasts outside of their bodies.
A+
Animal Path (Pain)
Asuma Sarutobi
Asura Path (Pain)
Enma
Hiashi Hyuuga
Ibuse the Salamander
Jūgo
Kabuto Yakushi
Kakashi Hatake (part 1)
Kimimaro Kaguya (sick)
Mangetsu Hōzuki (No swords)
Might Gai (part 1)
Multi-Headed Dog
Suigetsu Hōzuki
Suikazan Fuguki (Samehada)
Yamato
Zabuza Momochi
A
Ao
Baki
Baku
Dodai
Fū (ANBU)
Gaara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Gamabunta
Gari
Giant Clam
Hizashi Hyuuga
Human Path (Pain)
Kankurō (with Sasori puppet)
Katsuyu
Killer Bee (Young, Minato fight)
Kurenai Yuhi
Kurotsuchi
Manda
Munashi Jinpachi
Naruto Uzumaki (post elemental training)
Neji Hyuuga (part 2)
Pakura
Ringo Ameyuri
Sasori (Sans puppet arsenal)
Torune
A-
C
Chōjūrō
Chōji Akimichi (Asuma Fight)
Chōza Akimichi
Gamahiro
Gamaken
Inoichi Yamanaka
Jinin Akebino
Kushimaru Kuriarare
Kakko (Kakashi Gaiden)
Naruto Uzumaki (start of part 2)
Preta Path (Pain)
Sai (post-emotions)
Shibi Aburame
Shikaku Nara
Shizune
Suikazan Fuguki (No sword)
Temari (start of part 2)
B+
Drill-Beaked Bird
Genma Shiranui
Haku
Ibiki Morino
Ino Yamanaka (4th Shinobi War)
Ittan
Kakashi Hatake (Kakashi Gaiden)
Kankurō (as of Sasori fight)
Mahiru
Naraka Path (Pain)
Naruto Uzumaki (One Tail)
Rock Lee (part 2)
Sai (start)
Sakura Haruno (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (VotE)
Shikamaru Nara (4th Shinobi War)
Snake-Tailed Chameleon
B
Anko Mitarashi
Gaara (Chuunin Exam)
Giant Crab/Ox/Panda/Rhino
Hinata Hyuuga (4th Shinobi War)
Kamatari
Kankurō (Sasuke Retrieval)
Kiba Inazuka (4th Shinobi War)
Omoi
Sakon/Ukon
Shino Aburame (part 2)
Shikamaru Nara (part 2)
Taiseki (Kakashi Gaiden)
Temari (Sasuke Retrieval)
Three Great Snakes
Toroi
Tsume Inuzuka
B-
Aoba Yamashiro
Chōji Akimichi (start of part 2)
Doki
Giant Centipedes
Hayate Gekkō
Hinata Hyuuga (part 2)
Jirōbō
Kabuto Yakushi (Iwa flashback)
Kiba Inazuka (part 2)
Kidōmaru
Neji Hyuuga (Sasuke Retrieval)
Nonō Yakushi
Shin
Tayuya
Tenten (Part 2)
C+
Ebisu
Ino Yamanaka (start of part 2)
Karin
Naruto Uzumaki (Post Rasengan Training)
Neji Hyuga (Chunin exam)
Rock Lee (Chunin exam)
Sasuke Uchiha (Chunin exam finals)
Shikamaru Nara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Temari (Chunin exam)
White Zetsu Clone
C
Dosu
Iruka
Izumo Kamizuki
Kankuro (Chunin exam)
Konohamaru Sarutobi (part 2)
Kotetsu Hagane
Obito Uchiha (Sharingan)
Rin
Sasuke Uchiha (Sharingan)
Shikamaru Nara (Chunin exam)
Shino Aburame (Chunin exam)
Yashamaru
C-
Gōzu (Demon Brother)
Kiba Inazuka (Chunin exam)
Meizu (Demon Brother)
Mizuki
Naruto Uzumaki (Post clone jutsu)
Obito Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Sasuke Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Shigure
D+
Chōji Akimichi (Chunin exam)
Hinata Hyuga (part 1)
Ino Yamanaka (Chunin exam)
Kin
Oboro
Tenten (Chunin exam)
Zaku
D
Misumi Tsurugi
Sakura Haruno (Chunin exam)
Yoroi Akadō
D-
Rock Lee (Just graduated Genin)
Sakura Haruno (Start)
E+
Naruto Uzumaki (pre-clone jutsu)
E-
Konohamaru Sarutobi (start)
Rock Lee (Academy flashback)
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Naruto with his new power-lending ability, differentiating Madara's two forms, putting Kiba, Hinata, and Shino at B, and bumping up Ino and Shikamaru as well.