The DVD commentary - The genunie one!!

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The DVD commentary - The genunie one!!

This is the genuine commentary from the DMC DVD, directly quoted...
Relevant quotes about JE, but they are NOT positive. We've all been made a fool off 😠

As Lizzie hits Norrington over the head:

A little bit of foreshadowing when you think about it, what is Elizabeth willing to do to save somebody’s life, how does Elizabeth get out of situations where they’re both in danger? And that ability to turn on one of your own .

Jack & Liz at Tortuga

Now wait this is important to how the compass works, it points to what you want – not your hearts desire! I don’t know where that came from & what you want most can be changeable as seen in this scene. Obviously what she[Elizabeth] wants most is to find Will, but Jack is actually able to plan in her mind, that what she wants most is the chest – to save will.
But it’s also really important to say that, Jack doesn’t touch it [the compass] after this moment and at the moment, the compass isn’t dealing with anything that Jack wants, it’s playing completely off Elizabeth at this point.

Persuade me:

Ah! Yet another compass insert. My feeling was that the compass should shift over to Jack, or in the direction of jack I should say briefly, then shift back & maybe it is shifting back when she looks down there. I think she’s very upset about what she just saw. I do think it should shift over, just made it a brief shift then it shift back, but again its, well I guess it was some of the Disney publicity that stuff that says it points to your hearts desire – we said no, its what you want and that’s when lust happened, I think her wants could waver in that moment.

The bit on the stairs & Curiosity:

She [Elizabeth] is in fact troubled Yeah that marriage is coming back. One of the cut lines at that point, was that Jack said: “I love marriage, its like a wager to see who will fall out of love first” And then followed up with a proposal of a sorts, but I don’t think jack is proposing actual marriage, actually something quite different. So, Elizabeth is a little bothered by the fact that there’s at least some sort of physical attraction to Jack, even though she loves Will. And now Jack is just being kind; he’s just, basically making her feel bad…you know I always go back to on the island, he knows she played him and so he’s gaming her the same way. He’s just getting back at her. Well, also, he’s justifying the issue of the compass lets say he finds himself - how can be possibly be attracted to Elizabeth uh, she’s not his type so to speak, but here he’s fishing and making the claim that deep down she is his type else why he’d be attracted to her. Justification. And then she turns it around and is like, well okay if you’re going to be playing these games, I’m gonna play them back and then it becomes a little bit too much for both of them. She’s justifying her interests in him and theres a..a great momnt of challenge here where she sets it up so Jack can’t win, she sets it up so the only way that you can prove the only way you can gain the rewards of someone like her is to not compromise someone like her and therefore Jack can never have what he wants. But the fun is, is that they’re both playing at who’s gonna break first? They’re basically saying they want the other one but they don’t want the other one, so they’re challenging each other saying: “This is why, this is the only possibility I would ever want you” Right its turns: I want you on my terms not your terms….yeah but I want you on me terms not your turns – so who’s terms are gonna be met? So how do you think she would have responded to a kiss right then
? I don’t think she would have allowed it to happen to tell you the truth. She wanted to push him as far as he could be pushed, and if he had tried she would have said “see….” But I think a part of her would have liked to have been kissed, but….at that point I think she would have held out.
No, I don’t think she would have kissed him at all.

---- the rest:

Here’s a key moment on the compass, although you don’t see it – she turns around and walks back the other way to where the needle spun, there, she does it again. So basically, the needle is going back and forth and of course the reason is she’s passed over the very spot, there it is frustration. This is one of the things where, the blocking was so important here and now she’s sat directing down back and Jack actually figures out where the chest is just triangulation.
Well, my interpretation is that she was the last one to touch the compass and now its actually swinging back to the point at where she’s at.
Well, no, it was always point to the chest. She walks to one point, walks back, walks back to the first point, sits down, throws the compass to one side, like I said, triangulation.
But of course Elizabeth thinks for some reason she is betraying Will. That’s what she thinks, and for some reason, it was actually pointing to Jack. And, interestingly, Jack knows the truth that it was always pointing to the chest

Elizabeth has the compass, what she wants most is to find the chest to save Will. They find the chest

The kiss:

The erm, the kiss, the novelist had a great description of that that she wrote to us, it was: the kiss of death scene she [Elizabeth] gets to both slake her lust and literally drown her guilt for feeling lust for somebody other than Will. Would she have been to sever on Jack, if she had not been so tempted by him? When he’s dead, he’s no longer a temptation. She had to admit that she does feel something, that she does have this desire as well. But then she holds back. I just want to point out another thing that I really like, its just, the chain, the first time they met it was about him being shackled, and using her to escape from that, from here, the end comes back again.

Something that doesn’t get debated on the betrayal to Will, so to speak, is that how much did Elizabeth way the fact the only way she could save Will, was to kiss Jack. I think that was everything about it, yeah, of course she wants to save every body , well – all the people she can, but, out of all of them, that kiss may have been done out of a desire to save him more than anybody. Well, like Louisa said, slake her lust, drown her guilt and save the man she loves.

Well we actually came up with this, the basic of Elizabeth sending Jack to his death to save Will, back when we were working on the first movie and the firs time someone actually talked about they said that would be a really good ending to go for.

Yeah, if you know there’s this chemistry between the two characters, you know you ask yourself the question, what is the one situation where you can actually get a kiss between them that would be legitimate, that would be true to all of the characters and that was the solution. We also knew it was a very tough thing to do – name a movie in which one of the hero’s kills the other to save somebody else, its not one of those things that happens a lot.

It was all knowing that we had Keira, and she could do this and make the character real, you know, it was all the responses that gave us the confidence to do it – people have sympathy for her.

At Tia Dalma’s cave:

Now, at this point Elizabeth does raise her glass…yeah she does raise her glass but she cannot drink

Goodbye Sparrabeth *sniff*

know what..this sucks..I too feel as if we have been made a fool of. Its like they are trying to do damage control like S&S once said 🙁

AWE is gonna be crap IMO

I really dont want to sit through a boring love story knowing how exciting the love story could hae been in AWE if it was J/E.. .

..the love story between W/E was not what made movie 1 a success..Jack Sparrow did..

movie 2..it was Jack sparrow and what appeared to be a his love story and it was very interesting to watch..the movie did amazingly because that was a prime factor

you would think they wern't stupid enouth to go back to boring after something that seems to be so interesting to to watch..I guess they are stupid enough though..I've said it once and I'll say it again. In AWE, they chose the wrong relationship to mature..they could have made one of made AWE one of the most interesting romances to emerge on the big screen for a long tim..but they have ruined it..J/E in DMC proves to be what people find interesting to watch when it comes to a love story in a movie..W/E is not remotely interesting and it never was and never will be.

When I watched movie 1 and W/E were having their trials and stuff to overcome before they came an item?? to be honest I could give a flying shit if they ended up together or not..now when it comes to J/E..it sucked me in and I'm just hoping they will get together..

Originally posted by LovelyOne
know what..this sucks..I too feel as if we have been made a fool of. Its like they are trying to o damage control like S&S once said 🙁

AWE is gonna be crap IMO

I second that...I'm seriously considering NOT seeing AWE...not sure what the point should be, maybe Johnny Depp, but I'm not sure I want to see a heartbroken Capt Jack...

I feel as if ive been tricked..its bizarre because how are WE the audience to know that she would have not have kissed Jack on the deck when she's clearly pushing her mouth out, eyes closed waiting for a kiss?

how are we to know that she would have pulled away and said "see"

****ing bollocks the lot of it. Basically 45 minutes of DMC..was a waste of time and actually means nothing at all to the next story..THAT is what I get from it...they just made a pointless movie..

Now I'm depressed. Oh this really stinks. AWE is gonna bomb it will bomb big time. But then again who knows it all still could come out postive come everyone don't give up it's not end. I still say we should just wait for the movie to come out and see what happens okay.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
I feel as if ive been tricked..its bizarre because how are WE the audience to know that she would have not have kissed Jack on the deck when she's clearly pushing her mouth out, eyes closed waiting for a kiss?

how are we to know that she would have pulled away and said "see"

****ing bollocks the lot of it. Basically 45 minutes of DMC..was a waste of time and actually means nothing at all to the next story..THAT is what I get from it...they just made a pointless movie..

Just me sentiments...if they wanted to show that it only was a way to create problems for WE, then they did a crap job of that...half the audience will go WTF when they see AWE...

LOL exactly^^ This was supposed to create problems for W/E??well T&T...people probably don't GIVE a shit about W/E getting together now and being more mature because you have "accidentally" just created a phenomena whist trying to do so, J/E is more interesting to watch and see develop than a W/E maturing relationship will EVER be...people would/are gonna be have flocking back expecting to see more J/E action because THAT is exactly where you left the movie..you should have SHOWN a bit of W/E arguing or something and trying to resolve in DMC itself..

I'm sorry but they made a huge mistake to use Jack as the spanner...JACK is the favorite character!! who the hell is gonna settle for the boring relationship after seeing what COULD have been so much more intense and interesting?

Am I the only one here who despised the love story in movie 1..even when I watched it the first time they were so lacking in any chemistry that I honestly could give a shit if they ended up together or not by the end of it..critics said the same..you would have thought they would have taken the hint and gone for the more interesting relationship to develop (JE)..but NO..they probably saw that as a challenge to make W/E more interesting..trust me they ****ed UP because they used Jack Sparrow, one of the most interesting characters EVER on screen to do so..seriously I know this is mean..but how STUPID

Originally posted by LovelyOne
LOL exactly^^ This was supposed to create problems for W/E??well T&T...people probably don't GIVE a shit about W/E getting together now because you have "accidentally" just made a phenomena in doing so...peopel would have been flocking back to see more J/E action because THAT is exactly where you left the movie..you should have SHOWN a bit of W/E arguing or something and trying to resolve in DMC itself..

I'm sorry but they made a huge istake to use Jack as the spanner...JACK is the favorite character!! who the hell is gonna settle for the boring relationship?

Am I the only one her who despised the love story in movie 1..even when I watched it the first time they were so lacking in any chemistry that I honestly couldn't give a shit if they ended up together otr not..critics said the same..you would have thought they would have taken the hint and gone for the more interesting relationship to develop..but NO..they probably saw that as a challenge to make W/E more interesting..trust me they ****ed UP because they used Jack Sparrow to do s..seriously I know this is mean..but how STUPID

No, you're not the only one and now I despise it even more...and I HATE Will more than I thought was possible(and I used to hate him A LOT 😠 )and I'm not to keen on TnT either right now...

but I have to admit..one or two things they said strike me..if she's "only" BOTHERED about having a PHYSICAL attraction to Jack then why in gods name is she worrying about the kind of man he is deep down..

If it was just his body she wants, why is she so interested in his mind and soul when it comes to him being with her? Also why do they say hardly ANYTHING on the last scene??

Honestly, I don't know and right now I can't see anyting positive in the commentary at all....I think, Sparrabeth in the movies, is dead to me...I stick with fanfiction from now on...

Now I know everyone is going to think that I'm crazy. But I really do feel that we should NOT give up. I we need to still have faith. Lets not let this get us down we all need to just breathe and calm down. Please lets not lose faith. I still believe in J/E I really do. I'm not going to give up not now it too way too early.

I agree.

Have faith!

something intense is clearly going on in her mind in that last scene..it flies past mere guilt for killing a man and they decided not to go into depth there.........why?...

I find that weird..they are willing to explain in great depth what is going on in the mind of Elizabeth when she's showing depth in other parts of the story.. ...something major is clearly going on in her head at the end and they refuse to discuss it in detail on the commentary....

That's why we shouldn't give up. Like I said we need to just wait for the movie to come out, then we'll know what will happen. Believe I have been down this road before with other couples that I loved in the past. When I was watching "One Life to Live" which is soap. I was a Todd and Blair shipper and the same stuff happened with them too. They would break up over something really stupid, then after a while they got back together. It always happened. Now I know that this is not soap but I know what it like is. So we should not give up. Let’s still keep the faith.

I actually think that curiosity scene may be very relevant to AWE and its outcome

...but what annoys me about T&T..is that they COULD have EASILY written it so Liz was starting to fall in love with Jack in DMC..we all thought it was happening ANYWAY (hence the fact there are 27 J/E suporters on this forum and 1 or 2 W/E supporters) J/E just comes across so natural as if its meant to happen...and they thought that kind of thing would be unbelievable to an audience??

well how VERY wrong they were..J/E shippers (which out number W/E shippers) actually believed that it was pretty damn possible when they came out of DMC..because J/E as a relationship makes more sense than W/E...DMC appeared to show us all this..

T&T have done a pretty crap job of trying to portray what ever the hell they are trying to portray with DMC..they made it look as if Liz was meant to be with Jack..the compass etc..then you look at the god damn ending and she looks as if she realizes she;s meant to be with Jack for ****s sake..and when you look at that and then look at everything else in the story you would think that is the relationship that would eventually emerge out of AWE.

i just read this and now im gonna cry,...i came on this thread hoping that i would fins sumthing GOOD@! but now im gonna leave...im terribly depressed....its too hard to stay positive now....

Originally posted by LovelyOne
I actually think that curiosity scene may be very relevant to AWE and its outcome

...but what annoys me about T&T..is that they COULD have EASILY written it so Liz was starting to fall in love with Jack in DMC..we all thought it was happening ANYWAY (hence the fact there are 27 J/E suporters on this forum and 1 or 2 W/E supporters) J/E just comes across so natural as if its meant to happen...and they thought that kind of thing would be unbelievable to an audience??

well how VERY wrong they were..J/E shippers (which out number W/E shippers) actually believed that it was pretty damn possible when they came out of DMC..because J/E as a relationship makes more sense that W/E...DMC appeared to show us all this..T&T have done a pretty crap job of trying to portray what ever the hel they are trying to portray with DMC..they made it look as if Liz was meant to be with Jack..the compass etc..then you look at the god damn ending and she looks as if she realizes she;s meant to be with Jack for ****s sake..and when you look at that and then look at everything else in the story you would think that is the relationship that would eventually emerge out of AWE.

You know, even my dad, who has spend 30 years analyzing movies, has been fooled...It's ridiculous...

they ****ed up with what ever the hell they were trying to do

my film studies teacher who is 30 odd too..who teaches teens about pretty much any film imaginable also thinks its pointng J/E and that they are meant to be together..

He's been made a fool of too. as have the rest of my class..

If I tell him what T&T are saying he will probably laugh his head off and think I'm joking

this is insane! insane! insane! F****** UP!!!!!