Barsen'thor Respect Thread

Since apparently SWTOR characters are "obscure" despite TOR being the largest Star Wars game ever released, I will be creating a few threads for some of the more prominent characters from the game so that people who do not play it can get abreast with their abilities. I'm not sure exactly who needs this treatment but at the moment I plan on doing a thread each for:

The Hero of Tython
The Barsen'thor
Darth Nox
The Grand Champion of the Great Hunt
The Voidhound
Darth Thanaton
Darth Malgus
Satale Shan (?)
Not Nomi Sunrider.

And heres a link to XSUPREMEXSKILLZ thread on the Second Emperor's Wrath.

My thanks to xLetalis, for all the videos shown in this thread. 👆

Accolades:

“A gifted padawan.” - SWTORE pg. 98

“Embodying true skill and dedication, the padawan confronts the spirit of an ancient Jedi known as Rajivari and defeats a vengeful young man who had pledged himselves to Rajivari's teachings. Impressed by these exceptional achievements, the Jedi Council promotes Yuon's Padawan to full membership as the Orders newest Consular. However, this powerful Jedi's adventures have only begun...” - SWTORE pg. 98

“in a climactic final battle with the galaxy at stake, these two masters of the Force cross sabers.” - SWTORE pg 99

"A Jedi who was stronger in the Force at four than I was at fifteen?" - Master Yuon Par

“I have been fool. Spoke false. You are no small hunter. Cannot be other. Scorekeeper has seen. Chosen for greatest honor. You are Herald of Scorekeeper. Chosen one, Herald. Of great power, skill, honor, Scorekeeper sees and favors.” - Qyzen Fess. Apparently the Consular is such a good fighter that Qyzen was sure she was his deities herald. I wonder what the hell she did.

“I've been treating Nalen Raloch. The pilgrims who brought him here told us of your battle. Remarkable.” - Satele Shan

"There's a title reserved for the most prestigious among us, whose wisdom and skill safeguard the galaxy. It hasn't been bestowed in thousands of years." - Master Jaric Kaedan

"But you have proven worthy. Now the Council names you Barsen'thor, Warden of the Order." - Master Syo Bakarn

Feats and defeated opponents:

Nalen Raloch

A Twilek who found Rajivari's holocron and learned the ways of the Force:

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13.00. He rips a large chunk of the ceiling of a cave down, which leads to the cave collapsing. The Consular must then fight through Flesh Raiders to escape the soon-to-be-tomb. Nalen is the best fighter of the Twileks on Tython and is skilled enough to track down and easily defeat Qyzen Fess, who himself is an extremely good fighter based on the stories he tells and others descriptions of him (I'll elaborate if needed). The Consular then defeats Nalen in a fight, which was apparently incredibly impressive since it convinced Qyzen the Consular was an avatar of his god and even Satele Shan comments on how remarkable it was.

Yuon Par

The plague turns Yuon insane and the Consular is forced to defeat her in a battle to subdue her. Defeating a Jedi Master so early in their career is pretty damn impressive imo.

Mysterious Sith + Two Sith Acolytes

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13.10. A mysterious disciple of Vivicar attacks the Consular after they've learned the Shielding Technique needed to help the Jedi Masters afflicted by the plague. Fought with two sith acolytes. He shows good lightning, destroying the Noeticon computer with a burst of it, but the Consular dodges his lightning twice in succession and smacks him down with a Force push.

Lifts and throws a large chunk of metal

YouTube video

4.30. As I've said earlier that chunk its pretty damn huge. About the size of a school bus and appears to be solid metal. I estimate it to weigh a few hundred tons. Extremely impressive for how easily she throws it and how far.

Smashes through a huge blast door.

Its in the same video as the one above, but at 11.35. As I've said in the past, that door is ****ing huge and thick. And the Consular busts through it with one hand, bending it like play dough.

Master Tykan

One of the most talented Jedi Masters in the Order (as said in swtore about all the Jedi Masters the Consular visits in Act 1). Tykan was the best survival expert in the Order. His skills allowed him to thrive in the deadliest and most dangerous environments. Powerful enough to kill two soldiers through throwing them a huge distance into a wall.

Master Fain

Again, he's one of the most notable Jedi Masters in the Order. His best trick though seems to be his telepathy since he tries to mentally dominate the Consular, however Theran Cedrax uses an exo-tech device to nullify his mental influence. This bit confused me, since I don't really see why the dude could influence the Consular even without that device. She's more powerful than he is after all. Eh, I guess he's just really good at it or something. Strikes me as contrived though.

Jedi Knight Leranna

Master Fain's daughter. Fought off an imperial ambush, but was infected by the plague and killed a shitton of Republic soldiers. The Consular fought through reprogrammed war droids to get to her before defeating her in combat. However, Leranna proved rather powerful, flooring the Consular with a Force Push before threatening to flush herself out of the airlock.

Master Eriz

Yep, kicked another ones ass. Eriz was noted as a Jedi Master who survived the harshest environments, studying the most dangerous cultures. Moving on...

Master Sidonie

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23.20. A rather impressive display of telekinesis at the start of the fight, Master Sidonie rips apart a large statue, using it as missiles against the Consular. One thing to remember with these fights is that the Consular uses the Shielding Technique on each master after the fight, greatly weakening her (as noted by everyone afterwards). The strain of the technique is so great the the last Jedi who used it died from the strain. So its important to remember that the Consular is becoming weaker and weaker with each duel. Its highly badass that she still manages to beat these Jedi Masters despite this handicap, while still being barely out of her padawan training. The Consular surely is one of the most gifted prodigies in the mythos in my opinion.

Yuon Par (Possessed)

While attempting to locate Lord Vivicar through the connection via his plague, Vivicar also makes use of that connection and possesses her, attacking the Consular. Yet again the Consular triumphs over her Master, freeing her from Vivicars influence but is forced to use the Shielding Technique on her again, weakening her even further. Important to note that Yuon is drawing off of the Consular's power while this is happening and she STILL won the fight. Goddamn! How much power does she have?!

Tanked an explosion that destroyed a blast door.

YouTube video

9.30. The Consular is forced to get through a blast door by striking some explosive barrels with her lightsaber. The explosion consumes the door completely, but the Consular is unharmed. A n amazing feat of defense. Also those of you who would argue gameplay, having to do this is written in the quest text and the barrels are the only way to get through.

Fought through hordes of Brainwashed Republic troops.

The Consular is forced to fight through a star destroyer of dominated Republic soldiers to get to Vivicar. At 10.50 in the above video you can see that some of them have been enhanced through Sith alchemy to grow to giant size.

Lord Vivicar

Vivicar is really a Jedi Knight called Parkanus, who was possessed by the spirit of the ancient Sith Lord Morrhage. Morrhage was a powerful Sith Lord, a threat to the entire Jedi Order while he was alive through the use of his plague, infecting Masters throughout the galaxy and in death he was able to defeat a team of 6 Jedi Knights, almost consuming them with his powers. According to SWTORE he possesses 'terrifying power'. In the game he displays this, able to heal the near fatally wounded Leranna, able to dominate hundreds of Republic troops (Permanently. Even after his defeat they fight for him) and enhance them with alchemy and able to overwhelm the mind and power of Yuon Par and use her as a puppet to fight the Consular. He was also able to infect hundreds of Jedi Masters across the galaxy with his plague. Its clear that he was a badass in his own right, extremely powerful.

Now what's more is his plague and this is where it gets truly legendary. His plague does not just weaken and kill the masters and drive them insane, but also siphons power from them that Vivicar can channel with the proper rituals. Which he performs before the fight. And bare in mind that Vivicar had infected HUNDREDS of Jedi Masters.

Finally recall that the Consular has been vastly weakening herself through saving the Jedi Masters AND had to fight through his capital ship filled with soldiers to get to him.

And she still defeats him.

In my opinion, this is one of the greatest feats any Jedi has ever performed in the entire mythos.

Arrax

Some Sith. I think he killed some people? He's not really important, but Sith kills are Sith kills. Also he has tons of Sith and Imperial forces with him, so the newly minted Barsen'thor, still wreaked a lot of opposition.

Darth Lachris

YouTube video

26.10.

The apprentice of Darth Marr, which is a big enough name to assume a significant degree of power. Governor of Balmorra. Notable as the only time the Barsen'thor blocks lightning.

Kills a Sith occupying force on Quesh.

The Sith occupy a building on Quesh and the Barsen'thor takes them out, killing their leader, Kadon Vol.

Captain Valon

Notable, I suppose. A White Maw warrior who gained possession of an incredible suit of armor that healed any wound and returned him back to life even after the Consular killed him. Again, this was contrived, since the Consular uses a ****ing lightsaber so I highly doubt the armor would still be working after she's done with him but whatever.

Blaesus and Lord Kyrus

A Child of the Emperor, Blaesus is immensely powerful as he was imprinted at birth with a portion of Vitiates own godlike power. Before fighting him, the Barsen'thor must defeat Sith Lord Kyrus. These two had previously fought through the defenses of and captured the Sarkhai king and queen, shown to have even damaged blast doors in their wake. Blaesus was noted to have seemed invincible in battle.

Bashed through a Rakatan Vault Door

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27.25. Those vault doors are said to be impenetrable in the Belsavis section of SWTORE and Gelan expresses incredulity that the Barsen'thor was powerful enough to shatter it. Another near top tier TK feat for the Barsen'thor.

Defeated Commander Gelan

Another Child of the Emperor. Fought right after performing the above feat. The Children are all incredibly powerful beings portrayed as good fights for the Barsen'thor, one even shown to smack her around a bit later on. Afterwards the Barsen'thor shows good healing skills, reviving Hallow Voice. Personally I think the Barsen'thor is obviously canonically a Jedi Sage, seeing as they constantly display TK and healing abilities rather than stealth ones.

Stark

Once a powerful and mighty Sith Lord, until the First Son found out he'd been investigating the Children and ****ed him up. Now insane.

Lord Shendon

Another Sith Lord victory.

Sophia Farash

And another Child. These get more interesting soon. Fought with two Sith apprentices.

Aelan Kalder

YouTube video

18.25

Now we get into the good ones. This guy defeated his Jedi friend in a single attack then single handedly took over a Guardian Hold, a near impenetrable fortress stoked with weapons, droids and elite troops. The Barsen'thor must fight through the now Imperial held fortress to get to him and defeats him. Notable because he's shown to partially resist the Barsen'thor's TK attack and them smack her backwards a good dozen meters with lightning. This is a good indication of the Childrens power. You could argue that he could just be more powerful than his brothers and sisters, but this is illogical. Aelan is not a Force sensitive, all his power comes from the portion of power the Emperor embedded in him as a child. And it is logical to say that all the Children were given similar or identical portions of power. Other than the First Son who is supreme among the Children and was a Jedi Master to boot, so maybe he just has more power than the others on top of his Vitiate portion.

Daresha Bakarn

In the same video as the one above, at 30.10.

Syo's sister. Another Child of the Emperor. Again the Barsen'thor dodges the lightning rather than block it. Perhaps she learned from the last fight.

Counciller Saiak

YouTube video

Guess what, another Child of the Emperor. Whats that, six now? Plus 2 more and Syo makes nine....

Anyway, kills a dude with a nasty sounding lightning at 2.05. Shrugs off the Barsen'thor mental suggestion, again indicating no huge advantage to the Jedi Master.

Kills two Children at once.

At 5.10 + the Barsen'thor fights and kills two Children who are guarding the First Son. These are mentioned In SWTORE so no, they are not just gameplay enemies.

The First Son.

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The First Son is supreme among the Emperor's Children. Blaesus says that he cannot even comprehend the power he wields. This is backed up by the fight he gives the Barsen'thor and the fact that he's able to shield hundreds of Children galaxy-wide from detection.

7.15, the Barsen'thor shrugs off a telepathic assault from the First Son. Then at 10.30 the Barsen'thor appears to use the Force to overpower the First Son's will in order to give Syo back his mind. This is backed up later when the Council credits her with overcoming his will so I guess that is what she's doing. At 7.25 the battle begins. At 7.40 the Barsen'thor stuns him with a Force Wave. He displays invisibility, good speed running around so fast and good lightning and TK.

Also the First Son has an attack called 'collapse cavern' where he starts pulling shit down from the ceiling. Not sure about its canonicity but you know. There is also an attack called Will of Syo which heals the Barsen'thor. Again, notable but unsure of whether its canon.

Darkside ending:

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
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6:52, the Consular holds back Syo's saber with her force powers, then curbstomps him ala force push.

Theres also proof that the Emperor's Children are really powerful. Master Jaeden says that after losing the First Sons protection they can sense the immense power of the Emperor's children "Their darkness screams at use."

God, this one was even longer.

Hopefully the Nox one won't be as time consuming. This took like 3 hours.

3 hours of awesomeness 🤘

nice thread.

Thanks.

Its mostly so people like Tempest can just read it and absorb the info. Not much new of note is in here, all stuff I've already said. Its also mainly Jedi Master and Children fights. The HoT thread had more variety and people with actual feats and flavor backing them up.

But here it is. If people want to know what the Barsen'thor can do, just look here. Extremely powerful Force attacks and defenses and stellar feats under her belt.

Awesome.

This is awesome, Neph. Kudos for your hard work! This place really needs this kind of thing to prevent the hand-waving and status quo acceptance that's all-to-common.

Very nice.

So where do people think the Barsen'thor should go in terms of power?

I still think about Darth Vader level.

Dooku level.

She'd beat Dooku fairly solidly imo.

I certainly don't see Dooku fighting through hordes of Republic troops, tanking an explosion that obliterated a blast door to the face and beat a powerful Sith Lord empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters. All while weakened.

You said ''in terms of power''.

I take that as an indication of power.

Well, maybe more powerful in general than Dooku, but not combat-applicable power.

That seems pretty combat-applicable to me. 😬

Yeah, I mean, tanking explosions is gonna help her in a fight, right?

Yes? If she can defend herself against an explosion that powerful with her Force defenses, it will be extremely difficult for a Force user to get past her defenses unless they can attack with more power than an explosion that demolished a blast door.

And the fact that she defeated a Sith Lord drawing the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters indicates enormous power. Especially since she did is weakened and after fighting through a capital ship and tanking the above explosion.

The radius of the explosion was very little. Is there any proof that Barsen'thor survived thanks to her prodigious Force powers?

That would be skill.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
The radius of the explosion was very little. Is there any proof that Barsen'thor survived thanks to her prodigious Force powers?

That would be skill.

The explosion destroyed a blast door, that radius was not small. How else would she survive? Shes not wearing armor.

No, not really. Skill can take you far, but power is an important aspect. I highly doubt you can defeat a Sith drawing on that man Jedi through just skill if you don't have the power to resist his attacks and damage him with the Force. Remember, the Consular's main source of offense is their Force powers. To beat another Force user, you need to overpower their defenses. And if the Consular was drastically weaker than him he would just crush her defenses and no skill could save her. And it isn't as if she has a bunch of gadgets to help her like the Bounty Hunter does. She has the Force and a lightsaber.

Small radius, bro. That the door exploded on impact is a game mechanic. Nothing else was sufficiently damaged.

Who is that behind her by the way?

Clearly, but that's not what I meant.

Still not seeing anything putting her above Dooku's level let alone ''solidly'' above.

How do you know the "small radius" isn't the game mechanic? That the ground and surrounding area wasn't damaged clearly is. Either way, the Consular would be close enough to the barrels to be hit with the explosion since she'd be in lightsaber range. It was still large enough to tear at least a hole large enough to get through in the blast door. Though I still think it destroyed much of the door. There are models for blast doors that have been merely damaged or that have holes in them elsewhere in the game. If the developers meant for the door to be minimally damaged, they would have used one of those. Instead they depicted the door as being completely gone.

Tharen Cedrax, a companion. He's not important. He's just an inventor so he'd have no real effect on battle outside of gameplay.

Ok.

What about smashing through that huge blast door with one hand? And the Consular had already used the Shielding technique once at that point and its near the start of the game, so its not close to her at her peak. Or throwing that huge chunk of metal, same deal? Both are solidly above anything Dooku has done.