What was Darth Maul's true potential ?

I am asking this because clearly he could be ''so much more''...

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''I was destined to become so much more...''

And we know that Lucas said Sidious shouldn't have lost his apprentice in first place ;

"After Darth Sidious' first apprentice is killed, he has to come up with a new apprentice, and rather than coming up with some baby that he trains from birth, which is what he should have done--well, he shouldn't have gotten himself in a position of getting his apprentice killed anyways--he's decided to make his move, so he needs somebody that was already trained. The point is to set up that he turned this one Jedi, so that he could turn another Jedi. It has to be set up that way."

--George Lucas, AOTC DVD Commentary.

''--well, he shouldn't have gotten himself in a position of getting his apprentice killed anyways-''

And lastly, we've learned in SoD that Maul potential was being more powerful than his mother; Talzin.

''When Sidious realized Maul's potential he took him from me and trained him as a Sith''

I mean he became considerably more powerful in the clone wars just with in few months, clearly I can't imagine what would he become in 10 years after the period of TPM, could he be a real challenge for his Master ? Or would he be still noticeably inferior to him ?

Intrepid showed me a quote once that at least gave credence to the idea of Maul one day getting up to Sidious's level or something along those lines. I'm not sure if I believe it, but he had somewhat of a lesser potential than Anakin's.

Just the fact that Sidious chose Maul as his apprentice, to one day replace him, shows Maul's potential should at least be somewhere close to Sidious's.

Although how much of that potential he still has after being revived in Tcw is unclear. He was cut in half after all.

Sidious however really wanted someone with even greater potential than himself. That's why he loved the Skywalkers.

Originally posted by carthage
Intrepid showed me a quote once that at least gave credence to the idea of Maul one day getting up to Sidious's level or something along those lines. I'm not sure if I believe it, but he had somewhat of a lesser potential than Anakin's.

Anakin's potential is somewhat at ridiculous levels, I mean %200 of Sidious is overkill.

I would be fine with just ''a real challenge for Sidious'' level.

Maul was the Sithari

Originally posted by Marco1907
I am asking this because clearly he could be ''so much more''...

YouTube video

5:54

''I was destined to become so much more...''

Originally posted by Marco1907
And we know that Lucas said Sidious shouldn't have lost his apprentice in first place ;

''--well, he shouldn't have gotten himself in a position of getting his apprentice killed anyways-''

Originally posted by Marco1907
And lastly, we've learned in SoD that Maul potential was being more powerful than his mother; Talzin.

''When Sidious realized Maul's potential he took him from me and trained him as a Sith''

Originally posted by Marco1907
I mean he became considerably more powerful in the clone wars just with in few months, clearly I can't imagine what would he become in 10 years after the period of TPM, could he be a real challenge for his Master ? Or would he be still noticeably inferior to him ?

It's also ironic that Kenobi's destiny was destroying great potentials for the Dark Side ... Such as Anakin & Maul (if he really was though)

Obi-wan's destiny is entirely based around cutting limbs off, training people, and having girls die in his arms.

Maul's character doesn't really focus on potential. He's more about breaking overwhelming limits that are forced on him through sheer willpower. He sets his own potential, if that makes sense. Like, he isn't going to let the need for a couple of prosthetic legs slow him down. As soon as he could he rebuilt himself on Lotho Minor, kept on pushing for survival in conditions that would kill anyone else. His strength is earned, not inherent.

Probably good enough to eventually kill Palpatine.

I also think he would have eventually been able to defeat Sidious, but Maul would have done it through physical combat prowess and relied little to none on sith sorcery.

I really doubt that Maul could have approached Sidious or even surpassed Dooku level.

As I recall Lucas actually said that when Anakin lost his limbs he lost the ability to surpass Sidious and became like Maul and Dooku in that regard.

Eh, given time, Maul surpassing Dooku isn't a stretch.

He would have surpassed Dooku but yeah, he wouldn't have ever legitimately threatened Sidious I don't think.

I don't think it'd make sense for Maul to get to even Dooku's level of power. At least in regards to offensive powers like telekinesis. It'd be cool if he somehow found innovative ways of advancing Force Augmentation, seeing as he is primarily a physical combatant. But aside from that I'd rather Maul kept to his roots.

sorry, post made in error...

Keep in mind that Maul was probably under half the age of Sidious when Sidious killed his master, or when Plagueis killed his.

It takes a long time to transverse the higher tiers, even when one has the potential.

Originally posted by Q99
Keep in mind that Maul was probably under half the age of Sidious when Sidious killed his master, or when Plagueis killed his.

It takes a long time to transverse the higher tiers, even when one has the potential.

Maul's actually younger than Kenobi Iirc. Plus he pretty much lost 10 years of his life.

I think he would have surpassed Dooku, but not Sidious. So maybe Windu level potential?

Come to think of it, he's still alive, so could still do that. Unless losing half his body has cost him potential (it did for Vader so should do for Maul as well).

Like I said in the other thread. If Maul hadn't been so stuck up about his lightsaber skills for the majority of his life and actually gave his attention to his Force powers, he would be a ridiculous sorcerer esc character. Maul always had a lot of potential in the Force but for the largest chunk of his life he was obsessed with beating people by being a great swordsman and that is Darth Mauls folly

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Like I said in the other thread. If Maul hadn't been so stuck up about his lightsaber skills for the majority of his life and actually gave his attention to his Force powers, he would be a ridiculous sorcerer esc character. Maul always had a lot of potential in the Force but for the largest chunk of his life he was obsessed with beating people by being a great swordsman and that is Darth Mauls folly

I dunno. He was only like 22 in TPM Iirc. Up to that stage I think his combat training should focus on martial abilities. After perfecting that he should spend the next few decades focusing on increasing his connection to the Force, to improve his Tk and augment all his other abilities.

Which is probably what he would have done had he not been sliced in 2.