What was Darth Maul's true potential ?

Lucas also said that when Vader was cut apart he lost the potential to surpass Sidious, making him more like Count Dooku and Darth Maul. So what does that tell you....

I'm taking that with an ejaculations worth of salt.

Lucas is a douchenozzle

I think we can all agree unless you're a megalomaniacal despot like Gideon, that with proper Sith training Maul would've surpassed the Emperor 👆

What was Darth Maul's true potential?

You lot are confusing 2 things.

1: If Maul would have surpassed Sidious.
2: If Maul was trained as a true Sith Apprentice to one day possibly replace Sidious.

The first is doubtful. The second is true and canon. Any old Legends Eu contradicting that fact is complete BS.

So Maul may not have had as high potential as Sidious. But he obviously had enough potential for Sidious to take him as a true Apprentice. So id say his potential was at least Windu level (or somewhere like that- close to Sidious's).

Did Sidious truly intended Maul to replace him? I find it contraindicative because Sidious was too selfish to consider himself being replaced.

I am not saying Maul should surpass Sidious (like the Anakin could, that's more like overkill ; being 2x powerful of Sidious) , but really consider him at 22 year old age level, then he become considerably more powerful in the clone wars with a half body of his. It's clearly he could be much more powerful if he would survive the TPM, I am sure he would be at the same level with Sidious in 15-20 year after the period of TPM, if not more powerful.

And then imagine Maul in AotC or RotS, there is no way Anakin could beat a much more powerful Darth Maul with his current power level in RotS. I am sure that Sidious never planned to replace Maul, at least not until Anakin would become really powerful (not like in RotS)

Also there is another scenario, if Maul would survive the TPM, he could take Anakin secretly, since there was no one left to train him as a Jedi, and his master didn't knew Anakin at that point, Maul could take Anakin and train himself secretly.

----Star Wars- Omnibus - Menace Revealed

I don't think anyone was doubting that Maul had the potential to be a "true apprentice" - all I've been saying is that he actually wasn't, and that all this talk of "replacing" and "surpassing" Sidious is speculative and unfounded at best.

And I still haven't seen this Canon source which states Maul was a Banite Sith. Legends Canon or not, the old novels and sourcebooks gave a legitimate insight into Maul's origins in a way that shitty animation never could.

Originally posted by ILS

And I still haven't seen this Canon source which states Maul was a Banite Sith. Legends Canon or not, the old novels and sourcebooks gave a legitimate insight into Maul's origins in a way that shitty animation never could.

But Lucas had literally Zero input into those novels and sourcebooks that said otherwise. But all the material that had Lucas's input, plus any statements of his own, have always referred to Maul being a true Sith.

The legends material that imply otherwise have nothing to do with Lucas's vision on the matter, so were all just talking BS.

I honestly don't give a shit about Lucas' "vision", lol. He hasn't done anything to positively develop Maul's character so when we're talking about Maul's character, I refer to the people who have actually developed it in a significant manner.

Also, I didn't ever say Maul wasn't a Sith. Of course he's a Sith Lord. He's just not a Banite Sith, was never meant to take Sidious' spot, was never meant to become more powerful than him ect. And there is nothing in Lucas' vision which states otherwise.

In the resurrection comic, prophets of the dark side said that Maul was a banite sith, and Vader (as an ex-jedi) shouldn't be replaced with a true sith, and another reason was there was still a light inside of Vader.

''You are not of the bloodline of Bane''

1. Simply saying Vader isn't a Banite Sith isn't enough to prove that Maul is one, especially considering the Prophets have no say or credibility in regards to Bane's lineage, which is why Sidious disintegrated them.

2. That is a Legends Canon source, so if we're throwing out any Legends material I use you can go ahead and do the same with that comic.

And if we are now going by Legends Canon, please just refer to what I previously posted. Sidious made his thoughts on Maul's apprenticeship quite clear.

What do you mean Maul wasn't a Banite Sith?
A Banite Sith is a Sith in the Order of the Sith Lords.
Guess what? Maul was a member of that sect... obviously.
This fact is also stated in Star Wars: The Wrath of Darth Maul.

Maul was never one of the Two, he was an assassin - a tool Sidious was ready to dispose of at the drop of a hat. The point of the Rule of Two is that the Apprentice surpasses the Master, and Sidious made it clear that he chose Maul, and trained him in such a way, because he wanted to prevent himself from being surpassed.

I don't remember him being called a Banite Sith in that novel. A Sith Lord, sure, but not one of the Two.

Although to be fair Maul could be considered as some kind of semi-Banite Sith, but he obviously wasn't along the lines of Plagueis in terms of his involvement in the lineage and the Grand Plan.

Maul was of the Two when Plagueis was killed by Palpatine. Remember that Plagueis never anticipated being surpassed either.

He was still nothing but an assassin, though.

He didn't, but he did still share a Banite-type relationship with Sidious. They were carrying out the Grand Plan while Maul was basically just murking people for them.

You being wrong is probably my favorite thing in life.
"Darth Sidious brutally trained his apprentice to be a weapon of the Sith as well as a scheming mastermind."