phoenix force vs mad jim jaspers/fury vs pretcon beyonder

Originally posted by starlock
MR Master
"Here is Onslaught WITHOUT Nate's or Franklin's Powers, in Astral Form:

Onslaught crushing and snuffing out the Phoenix Force like a measly candle"

(he then shows scans of an encounter in the astral plane)

Phoenix is overrated:

So Thanos_thotu tell me he was not misrepresenting the scans just to put down the phoenix,so what did the battle consist of? did jean as a host of the phoenix force fight onslaught?
You might be slick and say yes onslaught defeated phoenix,and then what? say that it was jeans call sign? Mr Master said what he said and lied,so much for the top of the fact finders around here

heres the link
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught

Now go ahead and defend Mr Masters,i would love to hear this

Thank you so very much for this Link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught

This Proves how much of a SOCK you truly are. (sincerely)

I hope the Mods see this so you can get Banned once and for all.

I lied about nothing in that thread,

I said Phoenix got snuffed out by Onslaught in the ASTRAL FORM,

and so it was.

Besides that, at that time 6 MONTHS Ago, I got those Scans from Estacado,

I hadn't even read that issue at THAT Time,

😆 Estacado even Posted right beneath my Post saying,

"WHERE is MY CREDIT?" (For the SCANS) 😂

This SO Funny. hysterical

(You thought you had something and instead you BURY Yourself in your own shit)

All that Link Proves is that you been swinging on my nuts hardcore SOCK Style,

for Months, just like I stated last week.

6 MONTHS Ago and on that same page in that LINK YOU provided:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/430557_3-dark-phoenix-vs-onslaught

You're still Trolling after me,

I INVITE EVERYONE to go to the Link provided by this Starlock,

go and witness a True SOCK at work,

(Nov. of 06' and this guy was THEN and is STILL bashing my name) pathetic.

That's when I first noticed he was IN Love with me. 😘

I can't believe you played yourself so lovely. This is glorious.

Hope my forum brothers and sisters take the time to see you for what you are.

wow that link realy shows just how much hate some people have for the phoenix.

this board is geting beyond silly. the lengths people will go to lower status in the cosmic Hierarchy.

beyonder
phoenix force
jaspers
imo

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
There are so many holes in his arguements, it's amazing. 🤨 I'll let Mr. Master deal with this bozo.

so tell me there's so many hole why not you handle them.

Originally posted by Mr Master
✅

I only gave Beyonder the win because Beyonder can erase everything,

giving Jaspers absolutely no place to draw Reality from.

Phoenix on the other hand can't pull off that teleporting to Un-Space thingy,

with the Fury's ultra Teleportation capabilities,

Jaspers will just pop back or into another Reality and fight from there.

Anyhow, Phoenix can't teleport that quickly anyway.

Look at the Process the Actual Phoenix Force has to go through to travel through Time & Space across vast distances to other Universes:

The Phoenix Force (Host-LESS) was Owned by these 6 cats:

"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED,

the Phoenix is Reborn and FRESH"

And they're STILL holding their own. 🙂

Mind you ROGUE is one of the 6. 😂

The Six heroes BEAT (Physically) the Phoenix Force into and through a Portal:

Look how long it takes for it to Teleport back to it's native Universe:

"The Phoenix Force ends up DISPLACED by Four Billion Years"

By this time Jaspers would have been frying the Host.

Mind you this is the Actual Force, NO Host. (FP Phoenix)

MR MASTER just thought i'd say if you failed to realize while you going on about how it takes the force so much time to teleport it very interesting how easily she did it when she replaced jean in x-men and was able to manipulate both time and space around herself courtesy of a stargate.

Originally posted by Mr Master
All this Scan does is highlight how the Force got Owned by Le Bete Noir.

"trapped him?" ❌

The Force got Trapped!

(Highlight from clear [B]Readable Scan)

It was you who brought up the Force in it's Natural State.

I never said it can't take a Host.

I said in it's Natural State it's formless ambient energy.

Now I was using the wrong terminology,

I should have said a "HOSTLESS" Phoenix Avatar,

which has appeared many times On Panel. [/B]

PLEASE everyone with common sense do not take MR MASTER words to heart he just said that the force didnt trap Le Bete Noir in the earth yet in says it and to further discredit him if you keep reading it says that feron called the force back to earth so i ask you if the phoenix force is in the earth how would you be calling it back to the earth?

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, I'll be the first one tackling your misguided posts today. I noticed that your whole argument depends in the fact that Jaspers needs to think to warp reality. The problem is that you had not proved it. You said that the bio states that Jaspers need reality to manipulate or he is a single human, we already know this, thats why his weakness is a void space. Also, Jaspers being an omega mutant means he can trascend reality, so his "mind" can be used outside his body.

Also, I don't believe the Phoenix Force to be literally indestructible, omniversal nullification would wipe it out just fine. The statement that this is for the kill is not true either. If Jaspers transform the Force into a harmless version of itself he wins, because that would be a perpetual ko.

Addressing more of your weird senses energy can be destroyed (in comics) and the PF have never showed the power to destroy reality, only matter.

well sonny i believe thats why its called your opinion. oh and just because others can be wiped out by nullification doesn't mean the force can.

Originally posted by citannah17
well sonny i believe thats why its called your opinion. oh and just because others can be wiped out by nullification doesn't mean the force can.

The UN erases everything timelines etc etc that includes the very future that Phoinex draws her power from, few Beings are Capable of withstand the UN a few of them are believed to withstand the UN:

LT, Pre Beyonder and MM, CP with Excalibur, MJJ, Wielders of the IG, TOAA, Thanos WHOTI, from the top of my head those are the beings that I can remember that would withstand a direct attack by the UN.

To argue the Phoenix can't withstand something she has never encountered is futile it's a machine it blasts now what? Your list of who can withstand is just as futile, because people have only debated that these beings are more powerful than the Phoenix or that Phoenix is more powerful, they have not proved it or these kind of threads would be done with. Everybody has scans for everything, but until there are scans of this one vs that one then well it's all up for debate. There would be no UN or omniversal matrix if Feron had not bonded with the PHOENIX to project it across the omniverse to connect each reality.

Originally posted by LordKaos
To argue the Phoenix can't withstand something she has never encountered is futile it's a machine it blasts now what? Your list of who can withstand is just as futile, because people have only debated that these beings are more powerful than the Phoenix or that Phoenix is more powerful, they have not proved it or these kind of threads would be done with. Everybody has scans for everything, but until there are scans of this one vs that one then well it's all up for debate. There would be no UN or omniversal matrix if Feron had not bonded with the PHOENIX to project it across the omniverse to connect each reality.

Originally posted by LordKaos
There would be no UN or omniversal matrix if Feron had not bonded with the PHOENIX to project it across the omniverse to connect each reality.

What does the UN have to do with Phoenix or the Energy Matrix?

The Energy Matrix existed Before Phoenix ever dreamed of coming into the picture.

The Energy Matrix formed on it's OWN via the Interface Alignment,

which has Nothing to do with Phoenix.

The problem with the Matrix is that the Alignment only lasted a few moments, so what Necrom did, was encourage Feron to summon the Phoenix, so that the PF could project the 616 Dimensional Tower across the Multiverse when the Interface Alignment occured.

The Interface Alignment is what allows simultaneous existence across Realities, so when the Interfaces were aligned, Phoenix easily duplicated the 616 Tower across the Multiverse VIA the Alignment.

This made the Matrix remain contant, and permanently place a doorway into each Reality.

The UN has absolutely Nothing to do with any of this.

Originally posted by LordKaos
To argue the Phoenix can't withstand something she has never encountered is futile it's a machine it blasts now what? Your list of who can withstand is just as futile, because people have only debated that these beings are more powerful than the Phoenix or that Phoenix is more powerful, they have not proved it or these kind of threads would be done with. Everybody has scans for everything, but until there are scans of this one vs that one then well it's all up for debate. There would be no UN or omniversal matrix if Feron had not bonded with the PHOENIX to project it across the omniverse to connect each reality.

Dude shut up. That's why this is a Vs. forum. It's not limited to fights we've only seen in comics. Phoenix had no role in the U.N. Where you get this ridiculous idea I can only guess. The U.N. has erased Death and Eternity, even reseted the entire multiverse, but it can't affect Phoenix. LMAO.

Whatever it would not be a matrix if it weren't aligned, it would be a bunch of non-connected things that only connected during said alignment, so the Phoenix is very much responsible for it and the power that emanates from it as a whole. Who built the UN? Don't they need the focal point that Phoenix helped create to fire the UN to any point in Omiverse? then without the Phoenix they would only be able to use the UN when this alignment happened, that's what it has to do with it. Now come on with some scans so I can go on to ignore you until you disappear into the night.

Originally posted by citannah17
well sonny i believe thats why its called your opinion. oh and just because others can be wiped out by nullification doesn't mean the force can.

Well sonny, because it erased Death, Eternity, and reset the multiverse, there's no reason why the Force would be immune.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Whatever it would not be a matrix if it weren't aligned, it would be a bunch of non-connected things that only connected during said alignment, so the Phoenix is very much responsible for it and the power that emanates from it as a whole. Who built the UN? Don't they need the focal point that Phoenix helped create to fire the UN to any point in Omiverse? then without the Phoenix they would only be able to use the UN when this alignment happened, that's what it has to do with it. Now come on with some scans so I can go on to ignore you until you disappear into the night.

Bullshit. No one knows so don't claim it's the Phoenix. If I said LT or TOAA all made the U.N., would you claim they need the Phoenix's help? The U.N. can fire in non-space/unspace and bring back a universe. U.N. operates under with it's own power.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Dude shut up. That's why this is a Vs. forum. It's not limited to fights we've only seen in comics. Phoenix had no role in the U.N. Where you get this ridiculous idea I can only guess. The U.N. has erased Death and Eternity, even reseted the entire multiverse, but it can't affect Phoenix. LMAO.

now I have to shut up cry If you read and understood what I wrote you would have realized that was my point. I didn't say the UN can't erase Phoenix, the guy before is the one who gave examples of people he thinks can withstand it so LYAO at him. Read up on Excalibur, there would be no Omniveresal Capt. Britain corps or none of that shit if Feron had not used the Force to project the lighthouse throughout the omnivrese.

Originally posted by LordKaos
now I have to shut up cry If you read and understood what I wrote you would have realized that was my point. I didn't say the UN can't erase Phoenix, the guy before is the one who gave examples of people he thinks can withstand it so LYAO at him. Read up on Excalibur, there would be no Omniveresal Capt. Britain corps or none of that shit if Feron had not used the Force to project the lighthouse throughout the omnivrese.

Issue #. And I would expect you can explain the LT and TOAA's existence in the MU. Merlin created them maybe?

Originally posted by LordKaos
Whatever it would not be a matrix if it weren't aligned, it would be a bunch of non-connected things that only connected during said alignment,

Incorrect,

the Interface Alignment happens on it's own,

the Energy Matrix is created on it's own when the Interfaces are aligned.

Originally posted by LordKaos
so the Phoenix is very much responsible for it and the power that emanates from it as a whole.

😆

Originally posted by LordKaos
Who built the UN?

Eternity most probably created the UN.

Because Eternity remade Galan into Galactus and Eternity also created and placed a Galactus in every Universe of the Multiverse to keep Abraxas in check.

So one can assume,

since the UN is a part and or Aspect of Galactus, Eternity was involved in it's creation.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Don't they need the focal point that Phoenix helped create to fire the UN to any point in Omiverse?

No,

and Phoenix didn't create jack.

Originally posted by LordKaos
then without the Phoenix they would only be able to use the UN when this alignment happened, that's what it has to do with it.

You must be under the impression that the Multiverse is connected because of the Interface Alignment,

no wonder you're confused.

The Energy Matrix and it's doorway into other Realities is a Nexus.

There are Other Nexus's friend.

Swamp Things' Nexus which is now Havok or the White Hot Room, or the Neus Thanos travelled into or the Ereshkigal Nexus or the Crossroads Nexus and so on.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Now come on with some scans so I can go on to ignore you until you disappear into the night.

You can ignore me all you want,

but it doesn't take away from the fact you know little about what your're talking about.

The questions marks were real questions with a preemptive answer, you answered the question I thank you, but then again those are merely your assumptions. The alignment is natural, but the Matrix itself is the the outcome of the alignment not the other way around. The Phoenix force was used to project that lighthouse throughout the omniverse (never once did I mention multiverse) so that the power of the alignment (the matrix) could be permanent. I'm fully aware of the various nexus points in the MU, but for this argument they are irrelevant. The Phoenix did create at least jack as it's power was needed to create the "doorway" as you call it. either way I'm done.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Issue #. And I would expect you can explain the LT and TOAA's existence in the MU. Merlin created them maybe?

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Originally posted by LordKaos
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Still nothing, as always.