Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by Galan007

For all who are still curious,
Here are the excerpts we are referring to,
from the last page of the latest issue of Exiles:
(questionnaires addressed to the Writers)

"The Omniverse... There are infinite MULTIverseS inside it"

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ONLY Omniverse we know of that has infinite MULTIverseS

is Marvel's Omniverse!!!

Can anyone present evidence of another company claiming THIS? ❌

Is there On Panel PROOF ...
that directly links an "infinite MULTI-Multiversal Omniverse" with Marvel?

You bet your ass there is. ✅

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(Goblin Queen/Beyonder's essence) ... like I said, ONLY Marvel's Omniverse!!!!

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"

"The MultiverseS ...

the Past ... the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

✅

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Hmm ... perhaps just the term MultiverseS on its own isn't enough.

Meh, how's this then ...

"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"

"So much Power in such a small mind ...

we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together ...

Now I will have to do it alone"

whistling

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Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

clearly confirms,

it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse.

If you admit that TOAA created DC every other company plus the "Real World" (us)

I'll concede.

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yawn

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As we know, Merlyn was the Marvel "Supreme Omniversal Guardian"

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Merlyn created Otherworld & the Starlight Citidel
"from which he oversaw the Omniverse"

In fact,
Merlyn even made a 50,000 year plan,
to manipulate the entire Omniverse, towards enlightenment & peace"

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Roma (Merlyn's daughter) became the next Omniversal guardian:

"My hand guides the Omniverse Now,
Unlike my Father,
I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"

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The WRITER states:

"Roma ... defender of the Omniverse"

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The WRITER states:

"This is Roma ... For as long as anyone can remember,
she's borne a responsibility for the safety and security of the Omniverse,
Not simply the worlds & civilizations of a single Universe,
But OF THEM ALL"

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The Living Tribunal in other MulitverseS

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"The LT Exists in ALL MultiverseS simultaneously"

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"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

"Man's Universe (Multiverse)
has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes,
explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions
and obey roughly the same Laws"

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"There are Universes
whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc,
these all share a commonality of Concepts,
hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

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"Universes ... with lower or higher Dimensions ... are Truly different"

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (MultiverseS)

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Meh, the fact that the LT was dealing with the power of TWO MegaverseS,
has been fallaciously twisted, although it's typical,
I seen cats here being swayed by the bull shit

"He (LT) sits at the CENTER of ALL things,
feeling the flow of countless Realities,
their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment
rendered by HIS Three Faces"

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"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS,
each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse,
within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"

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On top of that, each Megaverse is a collection of MultiverseS:

"the REALMS with a Multiverse"

"Within the Omniverse,
collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses,
are referred to as Megaverses"

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So there are Realms that represent a Multiverse,
and a collection of those Realms (MultiverseS) are called MegaverseS.

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"Exiles ... repairing damaged Realities and Protecting the Omniverse"

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Excerpt from Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles bio:

"Insectoid alien explorers discover an observatory outside of space-time,
named ... later the Crystal Palace,
the equipment allowed them to observe every Reality in the Omniverse.

Eventually,
accidentally they caused All Creation (Omniverse) to become displaced"

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So they damaged the entire Omniverse?

But isn't Marvel just a Multiverse? dontgetit

Or did they damage DC, the "real world" and all other companies? 😆

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That's why the Exiles were chosen to "fix realities" across the Omniverse:

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The Crystal Palace is basically another Starlight Citidel,
and like Roma's CN, it can erase any Universe in the Omniverse.

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Notice in the Exile Bio above,
that the Crystal Palace accesses the Reality database (in the Starlight Citadel)
of Merlyn & Roma's Core Continuum.

The Starlight Citadel's data base oversees the entire Marvel Omniverse:

"from this venue,
the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the Omniverse"

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If Marvel is just a single Multiverse,
why is the Ultraverse located in ANOTHER Multiverse?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)

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How can this be?

We know the Ultraverse is One of Marvel's Universes:

(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook 2007)

"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth" (Earth-93060)

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And yet, it's withIN ANOTHER Multiverse withIN Marvel,
but I thought all of Marvel was just a single Multiverse?

durznuts

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Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

There you have the Omniverse definition and TOAA's.

Also notice the "New Universe" is just another Marvel Alternate Earth,
interesting when we know it's located withIN ANOTHER Multiverse.
(that's the one Quasar visited)

New Universe

"Alternate Earth (Earth-148611)
on which most superhumans abilities were granted by the STAR BRAND"

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Here's Quasar in ANOTHER Marvel Multiverse OUTISDE the Prime Multiverse.

Quasar interacting with D.L.P. (hero team) OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse in the NEW UNIVERSE:

"in 1986 ... folks began developing paranormal abilities ... it was called STAR BRAND"

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Do not be fooled by intransigence yall,

Quasar WAS OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse ...
in ANOTHER Multiverse that houses the New Universe (an Alternate Marvel Earth)

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(PROOF) ... 100% Canon ... in the Winter 2007 Official Marvel Handbooks:

The Watcher and Her,
are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse
into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.

"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"

"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"

"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of MultiverseS"

Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.

But let's proceed.

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"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"

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Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse

"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse"

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In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL:

"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

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"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

Hmm ... where one of the MANY Marvel "Alternate Earths" (New Universe) are found.

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GO ahead and try to spin this ... 😆

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Official Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles BIO ...

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

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So Jaspers was going to destroy DC, all other companies plus the "Real World"

hum

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And HERE is that Omniverse they are talking about On Panel: (artistically illustrated)

(Winter 2007)

The WRITER states:

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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That's the Chaos Wave (Wanda's Reality Warp) they're referring to,
it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse before rebuilding the Omniverse afterwards.

Did the Chaos Wave destroy DC, other companies, and the "Real World"

durznuts

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Unless Wanda,

"literally tore the (Real World/DC ... etc) to bits and Re-arranged it

Marvel has it's own Omniverse!

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http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of Universal significance occur

(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or Omniuniversal significance),

This Reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) ... "

swank

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This is why this can happen:

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Uatu and the Watcher realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.

We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "

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Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"

Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

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Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.

Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:

"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"

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If Reality/Universe 616 dies ... the entire Marvel Omniverse dies.

thankyou

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to Marvel,

Marvel misuses terms all the time. They're story tellers. You can post marvel misuseing terms all you want but its circ ular reasoning and therefore a logical fallacy to keep trying to use their misuse of a term as evidence for anything they say. This is NOT the Marvel only thread so you can NOT overlook their misuse of the term here.

There is one OMNIverse and it includes ALL the megaverses, multiverses and universes. No amount of faulty data is going to change that.

*posts random scan of marvel using the term omniverse when its NOT the omniverse that's actually effected just something smaller they're calling an omniverse*

They're not all english majors or science majors. It doesn't matter what you post from them it does NOT make them correct.

Originally posted by Creshosk
According to marvel solar winds are winds in outer space and Jubilee who's powers do not involve fire or flames is a pyrokinetic.

Marvel misuses terms all the time. They're story tellers. You can post marvel misuseing terms all you want but its circ ular reasoning and therefore a logical fallacy to keep trying to use their misuse of a term as evidence for anything they say. This is NOT the Marvel only thread so you can NOT overlook their misuse of the term here.

There is one OMNIverse and it includes ALL the megaverses, multiverses and universes. No amount of faulty data is going to change that.

*posts random scan of marvel using the term omniverse when its NOT the omniverse that's actually effected just something smaller they're calling an omniverse*

They're not all english majors or science majors. It doesn't matter what you post from them it does NOT make them correct.

👆
Yes there is only one omniverse, let the useless multiple scans that try and take up a whole page continue, it does not change anything

hm
Marvel Comics or random person on internet
who is correct about what is said and done in Marvel Comics
that's a tough one

Comixfan has a fantastic thread called "Omniverse - clearing something up" which pretty well covers all bases.

Originally posted by RedKnight
Comixfan has a fantastic thread called "Omniverse - clearing something up" which pretty well covers all bases.

Just found and read the thread. If the op in that thread is a handbook writer like the thread says, then there doesn't seem to be any more question what Marvel is claiming. Theres only one omniverse, which includes Marvel and every other company. Galacticstorm is right, and Mr. Master is wrong.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Just found and read the thread. If the op in that thread is a handbook writer like the thread says, then there doesn't seem to be any more question what Marvel is claiming. Theres only one omniverse, which includes Marvel and every other company. Galacticstorm is right, and Mr. Master is wrong.

Thanks 🙂

But the fact that G.S had a link to a Marvel 2005 hanbook reference should have been the end of this debate, even before this evidence or this topic came up, my common sense tells me there is only one omniverse , i love the fact that every scan that is supposed to show marvel with its own omniverse...never states so,it is a word marvel likes to use and which a poster so despertly wants to call marvels own

Originally posted by 123KID

hm
Marvel Comics or random person on internet
who is correct about what is said and done in Marvel Comics
that's a tough one

Originally posted by RedKnight
Comixfan has a fantastic thread called "Omniverse -
clearing something up" which pretty well covers all bases.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Just found and read the thread. If the op in that thread is a handbook writer like the thread says, then there doesn't seem to be any more question what Marvel is claiming. Theres only one omniverse, which includes Marvel and every other company.

I find it interesting that BOTH of you (Redknight/Kerr Avon)
have ONLY ONE Post each in your lifetimes at kmc,
coincidentally hm ... your ONLY single Posts EVER, (both of yall)
are directed at disagreeing with me, cause "Comixfan" blah, bah, blah whatever.
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Single Post 1 (red) offers to be found at "Comicfan? 🤨

Single Post 1 (ker) conveniently finds it, and comes in storming with,
"Comixfan ... LOL! ... says whatever (who cares) so such & such is right.
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Seriously dogs, it's so obvious.

Anywho, atleast come through with some evidence from Marvel,
that would've cloaked the gig a bit better. 🙂

Originally posted by RedKnight
Galacticstorm is right, and Mr. Master is wrong.

Right, cause "Comixfan" is the right source to learn about Marvel comics,
forget about the actual Marvel Comics themselves, and their Official 07' - 08' Bios, I agree.

dontgetit

Hey but atleast you got me to reply to you,
I guess now we might see your SECOND Post ever at kmc. 😂

Originally posted by starlock
But the fact that G.S had a link to a Marvel 2005 hanbook reference
should have been the end of this debate,

even before this evidence or this topic came up, my common sense tells me there is only one omniverse , i love the fact that every scan that is supposed to show marvel with its own omniverse...never states so,it is a word marvel likes to use and which a poster so despertly wants to call marvels own

😆

Is this a joke?

btw. ... Have you contributed anything like - at all - to this debate other than root for gs?

Jeesh, take a break dude,
you're so wraped up in your grudge you'l agree with just about anything that opposes me.
(like the SINGLE Post duo who are even more obvious than you)

Ahh whatever, if it thrills you, I'll let it be. stoned

ok, ok, ok let Jaro end this once for all...at least hopefully.....ppl c'mon look within yourselves and look real deep. of all the comic companies out there Marvel has been the only one taking an over the top approach to cosmic stuff. Marvel has been the only one throwing around the word omniverse rather willy-nilly-ly...Marvel has been the one to take it upon themselves to literally "write the book" on extra,pan, and omni dimensional adventures

another thing you gotta ask yorself about these aforementioned crossvers is that all of them were spearheaded by marvel comics with DC's permission to use thier intellectual property...its only the JLA/Avengers thing that was a true joint venture where both entities went in to cash in. in fact all the canonical remnants are always brought up by Marvel characters..LT primarily. to my knowledge only mxy in DC has made a passing remark of his time in the MU...talking about his adventure with his "fantastic friends".

what does this mean to Jaro? its simple......MU has its own Omniverse, only a damn fool would believe otherwise....even if we wanted to go there and say ok its more than one comic company, thus far Marvel has only done canonical crossvers with DC and Image(Invincible) so at the very least even if one wanted to stretch, thats still just three companies. not all of them put together like some less enlightened posters have been imagining....thats asenine. however, as we have seen when a particular arc requires it, both companies act like they are a part of the same uni, but thats as far as it usually goes. other than a passing refernece there never is a lasting effect on either universes

I would go over to thier HQ and punch them in the freaking mouth if i was starting my own comic company only to find that that marvel has lumped mine in thier omniverse. that doesnt make any freaking sense...who is the one that gave them the authority to do that? at the end of the day as ive always said this omniversal stuff should not be taken so literally, or seriously for that matter..time and time again we've seen that this is marvel's baby. nobody gives a damn about this stuff more than they do, so you all or rather we all should just let it go...

* shakes head at how mad rant falls on deaf ears *
sadwalk

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 Precisely ...

Total Posts: 1 --- (KMC Membership)

Total Posts: 1 --- (KMC Membership)

I find it interesting that BOTH of you (Redknight/Kerr Avon)
have ONLY ONE Post each in your lifetimes at kmc,
coincidentally hm ... your ONLY single Posts EVER, (both of yall)
are directed at disagreeing with me, cause "Comix[B]fan" blah, bah, blah whatever.

Well, excuuuuse me for finding this thread interesting enough to delurk and join to post. How does that make my opinion any less valid?

Originally posted by Mr Master ..............................................................................

Single Post 1 (red) offers to be found at "Comicfan? 🤨

Single Post 1 (ker) conveniently finds it, and comes in storming with,
"Comixfan ... LOL! ... says whatever (who cares) so such & such is right.
..............................................................................

Seriously dogs, it's so obvious.

Anywho, atleast come through with some evidence from Marvel,
that would've cloaked the gig a bit better. 🙂

Have you read the thread? Seriously, I'd post a link, but as a new poster I'm not allowed to. It might be Comix"fan" but the thread is in the area where comic creators have their own section to chat to fans, and its in the subsection where the Handbook writers post. The person who started the thread there is apparently one of the handbook writers and specifically addresses most of the stuff you raised. Since you've quoted the handbooks to support your position, that seems relevant to this discussion, and that poster makes it very clear that as far as they are concerned you've got it wrong and there is only one omniverse, not a Marvel one.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, cause "Comixfan" is the right source to learn about Marvel comics,
forget about the actual Marvel Comics themselves, and their Official 07' - 08' Bios, I agree.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Hey but atleast you got me to reply to you,
I guess now we might see your SECOND Post ever at kmc. 😂

Yes, you have got to see it. Though given how rudely you treat someones opinion if they are new and disagree with you, you might not see a third.

Originally posted by Mr Master ... Wow, folks, Comixfan >.. Marvel Comics (On Panel-Bios-Marvel.com)

😆

Is this a joke?

Originally posted by manjaro
ok, ok, ok let Jaro end this once for all...at least hopefully.....ppl c'mon look within yourselves and look real deep. of all the comic companies out there Marvel has been the only one taking an over the top approach to cosmic stuff. Marvel has been the only one throwing around the word omniverse rather willy-nilly-ly...Marvel has been the one to take it upon themselves to literally "write the book" on extra,pan, and omni dimensional adventures

another thing you gotta ask yorself about these aforementioned crossvers is that all of them were spearheaded by marvel comics [B]with DC's permission to use thier intellectual property...its only the JLA/Avengers thing that was a true joint venture where both entities went in to cash in. in fact all the canonical remnants are always brought up by Marvel characters..LT primarily. to my knowledge only mxy in DC has made a passing remark of his time in the MU...talking about his adventure with his "fantastic friends".

what does this mean to Jaro? its simple......MU has its own Omniverse, only a damn fool would believe otherwise....even if we wanted to go there and say ok its more than one comic company, thus far Marvel has only done canonical crossvers with DC and Image(Invincible) so at the very least even if one wanted to stretch, thats still just three companies. not all of them put together like some less enlightened posters have been imagining....thats asenine. however, as we have seen when a particular arc requires it, both companies act like they are a part of the same uni, but thats as far as it usually goes. other than a passing refernece there never is a lasting effect on either universes

I would go over to thier HQ and punch them in the freaking mouth if i was starting my own comic company only to find that that marvel has lumped mine in thier omniverse. that doesnt make any freaking sense...who is the one that gave them the authority to do that? at the end of the day as ive always said this omniversal stuff should not be taken so literally, or seriously for that matter..time and time again we've seen that this is marvel's baby. nobody gives a damn about this stuff more than they do, so you all or rather we all should just let it go...

* shakes head at how mad rant falls on deaf ears *
sadwalk [/B]

"Shoud not be taken so literally" yet you would want to punch them in the face huh? i bet your company would flop in less than a month

"marvels baby" so only marvel can play with omniverses?

"Damn fool" for having common sense , and after reading a marvel definition of omniverse with lots of evidence?

"Marvel Wrote the book on extra,pan, and omni dimensional adventures" are you serious? this comment alone shows what your made of...unbelievable!

So many rediculus statements that i have no choice but to put you on ignore, i dont think i can even tolerate seeing a post from one such as yourself

wow i never ben on ignore before...im all broken up