Originally posted by Mr Masteri see what you are saying.....u are saying that the beyonder very well could have survived if time collapsed, he just didnt know....... god however wasnt worried about this what so ever, but like i said its a stalemate at best, neither side could be the conclusive winner, agreed?
"perhaps you are right richards"....."PERHAPS" which means he wasn't sure.Here the Beyonder is absolutely SURE he can NOT bring back Death
I don't even think he was talking about himself, but rather himself in THIS MUlti-verse.
After all, Beyonder WAS Time and Space and EVERYTHING inbetween in the Beyond Realm
Originally posted by galan7777777
i see what you are saying.....u are saying that the beyonder very well could have survived if time collapsed, he just didnt know.......
Exactly.
Originally posted by galan7777777
god however wasnt worried about this what so ever,
Because of his superior omniscience,
but for the record, Beyonder never displayed worry.
Originally posted by galan7777777
but like i said its a stalemate at best, neither side could be the conclusive winner, agreed?
I said it in my first post,
Stalemate.
Originally posted by Mr Masteryeah, it would come down to omniscents v.s. power, but more then likely they would balance each other neither one being able to destroy the other........at best its a stalemate
Exactly.Because of his superior omniscience,
but for the record, Beyonder never displayed worry.
I said it in my first post,
Stalemate.
Originally posted by Mr Master No doubt.You cut a specific image out of the scan you originally posted. You're taking a specific instance out of many that helps to support your theory while others, even ones you've posted, do not.
"elements of reality"....."Nothing more"?Your interpretation is completely off base given what was shown. I believe what I said was 100% accurate. We know Beyonder has awesome power, that he could change most things. He was indentifying that he could give cows wings. He very well probably could. Then he speculated that if he could do that, "MAYBE" everything is extension of his will. Which we know now is not true in either case.So "EVERYTHING is, what I say it is" (as the scan says) = "elements of reality"
Got it.
I can't believe you're actually trying to argue Beyonder vs The Presence, when you haven't even proved him definitively above a fraction of the Presence's power. And beyond all that, you've already admitted in another thread that he is not comparable to a true supreme being in the face of the Beyonder fans you've created.Or do you remember that?
Or perhaps you remember the Private Messages between the two of us about Beyonder's capability of defeating a Supreme Beings[Yahweh, Presence, TOAA], when you said, and I quote "You know I would never say that Jun."
Originally posted by Juntai
You cut a specific image out of the scan you originally posted. You're taking a specific instance out of many that helps to support your theory while others, even ones you've posted, do not.
Here's the entire Scan, plus individually.
Please, show us the instance where Beyonder is UNSURE that ALL Reality is His.
"the mightiest beings are like Microbes to me"
"Everything is, what I say it is"
I DON"T SEE Beyonder ANYWHERE in these scans saying "maybe" he controls Reality or not.
"All existence, except me, might as well be a figment of my imagination"
How does this equate to him being Unsure whether he Controls/ is Reality?
"I might have dreamed ALL this up"
How does this equate to him being Unsure whether he Controls/ is Reality?
Beyonder is not sure if Existence is His Dream or His Imagination,
but one way or another, it's His Dream and His Imagination.
"I. who utterly dictate ALL Reality"
Originally posted by Juntai
Your interpretation is completely off base given what was shown. I believe what I said was 100% accurate.
A bit presumptuous don't you think.
Considering the facts.
Originally posted by Juntai
We know Beyonder has awesome power, that he could change most things. Then he speculated that if he could do that, "MAYBE" everything is extension of his will.
I'm the one bending Facts to "help support my theory?" 😉
Go take a peep above.
Originally posted by Juntai
Which we know now is not true in either case.
Speak for yourself, who the hell is "WE"?
Originally posted by Juntai
I can't believe you're actually trying to argue Beyonder vs The Presence, when you haven't even proved him definitively above a fraction of the Presence's power.
I wonder how you proved, that not just a Fraction, but ANY amount of the Presence's Power is above Beyonder's.
Yall say TOAA = Presence
Well Beyonder WAY more Powerful than TOAA
TOAA's MULTI-VERSE = ONE Drop of WATER.
Beyonder's Universe = an Ocean
A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
nuff said.
Originally posted by Juntai
And beyond all that, you've already admitted in another thread that he is not comparable to a true supreme being in the face of the Beyonder fans you've created.Or do you remember that?
I didn't give it much thought, but thanx to that little pesty hater, that makes these threads, I dug deep, and was enlightened.
Originally posted by Juntai
Or perhaps you remember the Private Messages between the two of us about Beyonder's capability of defeating a Supreme Beings[Yahweh, Presence, TOAA], when you said, and I quote "You know I would never say that Jun."
Perhaps you should pay attention to what I'm posting, because I have never said beyonder defeats the Presence.
Now, when you compare TOAA's Creation (the Multi-verse or a DROP of WATER)
to the Beyonder's (a Universe but an Ocean)
Not much room for any other logic.
Originally posted by Juntai
The proof is litterally in the pudding, and a lot of it is easily identifiable in this thread.
The Presence is portrayed as completely infallible.
Beyonder is not.
I never said Beyonder matched either being's Omniscience,
just their Power.
I then came to the understanding that Beyonder was FAR beyond TOAA in Power, not Omniscience.
First off, I still don't stand corrected about the scans. I don't know why you act high and mighty about it as if you're actually proving something.
"He says reality and his imagination are VIRTUALLY indistinguishable."Yet, he identifies due to the very wording there, that there is indeed a difference between the two.
Now pay attention while I highlight here.
"I might have dreamed all this up."
Get it yet?
Want to twist more scans, speculation, character claims, and hyperbole for me?
TOAA's MULTI-VERSE = ONE Drop of WATER.Notice the twisting? It says "A universe to which our own is a drop of water to the Ocean." It is clearly a comparison of our UNIVERSE to Beyonder's UNIVERSE. No where does it mention multiverse, so the comparison is non-applicable.
Beyonder's Universe = an Ocean
A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
Once again. A twisting of the facts.
Originally posted by Mr MasterInteresting.
I never said Beyonder matched either being's Omniscience,just their Power.
I then came to the understanding that Beyonder was FAR beyond TOAA in Power, not Omniscience.
And, this still stands;
The Presence is shown as infallible.
Beyonder is not.
Originally posted by Juntai
First off, I still don't stand corrected about the scans. I don't know why you act high and mighty about it as if you're actually proving something.
"high and mighty?"
Cause I proved you wrong?
Originally posted by Juntai
"He says reality and his imagination are VIRTUALLY indistinguishable."Yet, he identifies due to the very wording there, that there is indeed a difference between the two.
Is this the ONLY "proof" you have, that makes you correct?
You have to be joking.
Originally posted by Juntai
Now pay attention while I highlight here.
"I [b]might have dreamed all this up."
Get it yet?
Want to twist more scans, speculation, character claims, and hyperbole for me? [/B]
No, I don't get it.
Whether he Dreamed it ALL up, or it was ALL His Imagination,
This in NO WAY implies he didn't Control ALL Reality
"I. who utterly dictate ALL Reality"
Originally posted by Juntai
Want to twist more scans, speculation, character claims, and hyperbole for me?
As much as you?
No.
Originally posted by Juntai
Notice the twisting? It says "A universe to which our own is a drop of water to the Ocean." It is clearly a comparison of our UNIVERSE to Beyonder's UNIVERSE. No where does it mention multiverse, so the comparison is non-applicable.
NO where does it say, "our Universe"...
Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean (or 22 Quintillion times BIGGER)
"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"
Where is the "twisting of words" when I NOW say Beyonder's UNIVERSE is INFINITE!!!
"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND.
I'll be posting several scans in a bit, of the series clearly telling us it was the Multi-verse Beyonder noticed, NOT the Universe.
"Our Own" means the Multi-verse or Our Reality, I'll prove this in a bit.
Originally posted by Juntai
Interesting.
However, The Presence is not TOAA.And, this still stands;
The Presence is shown as infallible.
Beyonder is not.
Intersting.
However, Beyonder is more powerful than TOAA
And this still stands;
The Presence may be infallible.
This will NEVER make him more powerful than Beyonder.
lol. I was only debunking all you were showing.
I'm not wrong in any manner, all I did was reinterprate the scans you've provided since you twisted the facts therein.
I've not made an incorrect statement or claim as of yet.
Infallible by nature is far more than Beyonder ever will be. .. or in this case... would have been.
By all means though, keep going.
Originally posted by Juntai
Notice the twisting? It says "A universe to which our own is a drop of water to the Ocean." It is clearly a comparison of our UNIVERSE to Beyonder's UNIVERSE. No where does it mention multiverse, so the comparison is non-applicable.
Knowledge of the character and storyline are helpfull in filling in the blanks or MISSING text, many times:
Roma Oversees the Entire Multi-verse personally,
And the Omni-verse with her Father Merlin.
Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to Eternity
"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"
Roma didn't say Multi-Eternity or the Multi-verse, just Eternity (which usually means a Single Universe) but we ALL know she tends to the Multi-verse.
Knowledge of the character and this particular storyline, definitively tells me she is talking about the Multi-verse when she says Eternity.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYep, do you have a scan that backs that idea then?
Knowledge of the character and storyline are helpfull in filling in the blanks or MISSING text, many times:Roma Oversees the Entire Multi-verse personally,
And the Omni-verse with her Father Merlin.Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to Eternity
"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"Roma didn't say Multi-Eternity or the Multi-verse, just Eternity (which usually means a Single Universe) but we ALL know she tends to the Multi-verse.
Knowledge of the character and this particular storyline, definitively tells me she is talking about the Multi-verse when she says Eternity.
Originally posted by Juntai
lol. I was only debunking all you were showing.
lol all you want, if it gives you a sense of accomplishment, but you haven't done jack.
Originally posted by Juntai
I'm not wrong in any manner, all I did was reinterprate the scans you've provided since you twisted the facts therein.
Funny how it was you twisting the facts all along.
I proved it conclusively
Originally posted by Juntai
I've not made an incorrect statement or claim as of yet.
I've always thought you to be one of the top debaters, minus the soundless accusations,
but in this thread, you've been wrong ALL over.
Originally posted by Juntai
Infallible by nature is far more than Beyonder ever will be. .. or in this case... would have been.
Well, when the Presence creates an Infinite Universe like the Beyonder did, I'll take that into consideration.
AM only left less than TEN Universes in the prior DC Multi-verse, (NOT INFINITE)
The Presence held ALL of creation in his hand (NOT INFINITE)
Where is the "twisting of words" when I NOW say Beyonder's UNIVERSE is INFINITE!!!
"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND.
INFINITE > NOT INFINITE
Originally posted by Juntai
Yep, do you have a scan that backs that idea then?
Because I assume this will have a point in subsequent scans.
Eternity (the Multi-verse) created a Galactus for EVERY Universe,
To give Eternity balance and keep Abraxas in check with his existence.
Again it does NOT mention Multi-Eternity or the Multi-verse, just ETERNITY!
But please go ahead and tell me it was Eternity, the Single Universe, that placed a Galactus in every Universe 😂
Originally posted by Juntai
And the scans provided aren't supporting what you're claiming in that very post right from the start.
I'm just throwing pearls at you, take em or leave em.
Ignorance is bliss anyhow, so I wouldn't be surprised if you leave em.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlare you saying dc cosmic are more powerful😖hifty:? see marvel has dc beat there yeah sure dc has way more powerful earth based heros but marvel has way more powerful and just more cosmics period.
Mr. master is as about as knowlegeable about DC cosmics as the Klan is about freind chicken and watermelon. He doesn't really know. He equates all DC cosmics on some marvel rating system. to which he subjectifies them to his logic.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe DC creation is ever expanding. It is infinite. Narration described it when Eradicator returned to Earth to warn of Imperiex before Our Worlds at War. Ask Avalon for the scan sometime. I don't bother collecting them or finding them most of the time. I just know what I know. 😉 Even so, the infinitude of HYPERTIME and the DIMENSIONS still existed after anti-monitor.
lol all you want, if it gives you a sense of accomplishment, but you haven't done jack.Funny how it was you twisting the facts all along.
I proved it conclusively
I've always thought you to be one of the top debaters, minus the soundless accusations,
but in this thread, you've been wrong ALL over.
Well, when the Presence creates an Infinite Universe like the Beyonder did, I'll take that into consideration.
AM only left less than TEN Universes in the prior DC Multi-verse, (NOT INFINITE)
The Presence held ALL of creation in his hand (NOT INFINITE)
Where is the "twisting of words" when I NOW say Beyonder's UNIVERSE is INFINITE!!!
"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND.INFINITIE > NOT INFINITE
You've not proved me to be twisting words, in fact, it's quite contrary, given the last handful of posts.
Of course, you didn't intepret the infinite universe one wrong. Neither did I because I hadn't said anything of it yet. However the previous posts have shown you twisting scans left and right!
I could care less of what you think of my debating.
I personally think yours is quite foolish. Held together by small strings of miscontrued facts, complete misinformation, hyperbole and unproven theories.
The very idea of an infallible being is far more than Beyonder will ever be.
Look up infallible sometime.
Without equal. Without error.
Try reading Paradise Lost sometime.
You seem as confused as Azmodel was.
The presence is not something that can be defeated.
It is everything.
Originally posted by ctu_stylez
nverbeen owned again!
What the hell is this dumb ass shit. I'm never owned. The logic has already been shown. The beyonder is Millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. The presence is infinite in power. What is so hard for you to understand that? Infinite beats any number, any day, no matter how big the number. Geez. It's so simple, most people get it.
