My Dad is improving. Thank u eternal friend
Wanda
Jaime
Jaspers
U know I'm a big Phoenix fan. Phoenix Force has a place on the list also
I chose Jaime because of him pulling on the Strings. He could've planned the whole fight with the First Fallen. Won't know, until Marvel gets off their ass and brings Jaime back
Good to hear guy 😄
The Phoenix force has (from my point of view) always been difficult getting a exact powerfix on it's powerlevels varies greatly.
Jaime brought back Jaspers, if I remember correct which means he (I think) in some way manipulated the Chaos Wave, didn't he also destroy the CN so it couldn't be used?
Originally posted by guy222
My Dad is improving. Thank u eternal friendWanda
Jaime
JaspersU know I'm a big Phoenix fan. Phoenix Force has a place on the list also
I chose Jaime because of him pulling on the Strings. He could've planned the whole fight with the First Fallen. Won't know, until Marvel gets off their ass and brings Jaime back
Originally posted by UtrigitaI disagree a bit with you here X,
I think the Beyonders could stop her too
According to Roma, nothing was to escape the Chaos Wave,
possibly even the "Ascension" was threatened.
Yes, I have no idea what that is exactly,
but from Roma's comment, it seems to be something beyond even her status,
and she as we know was the Omniversal guardian,
what could possibly be above her status?
Scary, that wave was.
Originally posted by Utrigitaand possibly a wielder with the IG.
"No coherence to Causality.
Only Primal Chaos,
beyond the comprehension of any sentience
no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself
And this is just the beginning"
Originally posted by UtrigitaJaime brought back Jaspers,
if I remember correct which means he (I think) in some way manipulated the Chaos Wave
Jamie manipulated Jaspers' merger, the reason why is unknown:
Anyway, here's the Wanda's power bringing Jaspers back to life:
As you can see, he's just Jaspers at this point,
then,
a moment later, he mysteriously produces Fury-like features:
That's Jamie going to work, after he was resurrected by Wanda
Jamie, who was watching the whole event play out.
Originally posted by Utrigitadidn't he also destroy the CN so it couldn't be used?
Originally posted by Utrigita
I disagree a bit with you here X, I think the Beyonders could stop her too, and possibly a wielder with the IG.
I had little more in mind, including IG (I aslo doubt IG could stop her). But I am not sure about others at stopping her, but those I listed, for those I am sure.
Now about Beyonders, do you mean all of them together or just one, because I don't see one stopping her. Anyway, I doubt they could stop her.
We could also say Alien Entity. But what Alien Entity did, pretty much Wanda also did in some way. Really, those I listed, for those I am sure.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Good to hear guy 😄The Phoenix Force has (from my point of view) always been difficult getting a exact powerfix on it's powerlevels varies greatly.
Jaime brought back Jaspers, if I remember correct which means he (I think) in some way manipulated the Chaos Wave, didn't he also destroy the CN so it couldn't be used?
Didn't Wanda powers bring Jaspers back?
Anyway, I think we could all agree about Wanda being the most powerful mutant ever in Marvel Universe.
My bad I confused the merging with the resurrection.
Again Master, (as mentioned before) We have no idea how much energy she tapped from the pan dimensionel beyond, I lean towards the energy contained within a cosmic containment unit (that is what we have seen displayed of there energy so far) and even that a single CCU with but a fraction of the beyonders powers can make one God over the 616 reality merge it with others, and potentially cause omniversal destruction, and it's just a fraction.
Originally posted by King KandyJamie is dead.
Originally posted by King KandyFF killed him.
He needed Psylock to try and bring down FF.
Sounds real powerful to me.
Sounds like Wikipedia misinformation to me.
Originally posted by King KandyJust what has Jamie done to make him above MJJ?
But better yet,
he merged Jaspers with the Fury, demonstrating his control over Jaspers.
Originally posted by King KandyMJJ wouldn't have lost to someone who's equal to the phoenix.
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Any who, the Facts!
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Jamie was acting retarded in the First Fallen's Universe,
First Fallen never battled Jamie, First Fallen never did anything to Jamie whatsoever,
in fact,
it was jamie who allowed First Fallen to pull him through a portal,
in order to get Betsy to jump into the portal also,
because Jamie was prepping Betsy to kill the First Fallen:
Not cause he needed her, cause he wanted to,
he's a functioning nut, he does things in the most awkward of manners,
that's his character.
I mean, why would he need her, if he's the one giving her the power to do it?
Come on now.
Oh, here's the moment of the portal,
getting Betsy and those X-Men to jump in after him:
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Anyway, this is the end,
where the First Fallen supposedly killed Jamie, which is rubbish,
no such thing was depicted ever happening.
In fact,
Betsy even tells Jamie to take care of business already and stop holding back:
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Jamie with a gesture
bfrs Betsy and those X-Men out of First Fallen's Universe:
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And then ... then ... that's it,
nothing is shown,
no one knows what happened,
we only know that Jamie stayed behind:
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One of X-Men opinionated that Jamie sacrificed himself,
but in reality, that cat has NO idea what happened:
Originally posted by King KandyWell we can admit that First Fallen was at least seen as on even footing with Jamie
so this puts him at Phoenix level.
They never battled on panel, no one knows what happened,
and ... wait ...
ah, sarcasm ...
... you sly dog, you almost had me there. 😛
Originally posted by King KandyJamie could not defeat First Fallen without Betsy...
I think you should re-read the scans above and ignore wikipedia all together friend.
Jamie yanked a string and murdered Psylock,
next panel Jamie yanks another string, and resurrects Psylock,
another string yanked and Jamie empowers Psylock.
Need her? LOL!
I know, you must've not looked at the scans.
Originally posted by King KandyI admit that this seems very confusing to me but Everyone Jamie included was freaking out over First Fallen so that seems to point towards Jamie being under MJJ since I can't see MJJ being below a Phoenix-level being.
That wasn't stated on panel, or in any Handbook,
and in fact,
Jamie and the First Fallen never even battled.
What did happen
is that a Jamie empowered Psylock owned the First Fallen's manifested avatar:
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Even when the embodiment of the First Fallen manifested,
Jamie empowered Psylock survived it's attack, and began to stalemate it:
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Meh, when she couldn't anymore,
Jamie took over, Jamie, who never ever did anything till now,
he was obviously trying to let his sister be the hero:
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The rest of the scans subsequent to these are above,
and in NO way whatsoever
do they suggest that Jamie and the First Fallen are equals,
in fact,
it doesn't suggest anything ... period.
All we know is that Jamie saved Psylock & her friends and stayed behind.
If Jamie was capable of defeating First Fallen on his own then why did he bother with the team? Seems like he needed help to defeat First Fallen, for instance he needed Psylock to attack FF because she was immune to his warp so it seems Jamie couldn't do it himself. If Jamie is > FF then MJJ should be above Jamie since he can defeat a Phoenix-level being without any help.
