Originally posted by Bentley
Featwise, Punisher is better. But Cyclops has defeated Wolverine, he is no chump. Given their history this is close to 50-50.
What incident are you refering to because I know Cyke defeated Wolverine when he wasn't in the right state of mind. Punisher had a good showing against Wolverine after being tired.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
This is coming from the handbook.Weight: Punisher- 200 lb's Fighting Skills: Punisher: 5
Weight: Cyclops- 185 lb's Fighting Skills: Cyclops: 4Here at KMC in our "Ranks for MA's" thread we have Punisher 3rd Tier(Highly Skilled Martial Artist) and Cyclops 4th Tier(Trained Martial Artist).
I think that Cyclops will be out of his element fighting w/o his powers against someone so good. He's so used to having his optic blasts Wheras Frank would be fighting in his element. Yes Cyclops is more skilled then the average punks Punisher deals with but surely Scott isn't an obstacle he can't overcome. This guy has held his own against Daredevil and Captain America at times. Now don't chew me out for saying that, I know what Cap did to him in Civil War and that 9/10 times Daredevil and Punisher fight Daredevil ends up winning. But just saying he has good showings against him. Cyclops has better showings I'm sure. But were they w/ his powers or w/o? I think it would be the latter.
* IMO, Cyclops should be one tier higher... 🙂
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cyclops is IMO a more skilled combatant but Frank has a grocery list of other advantages. He has a strength and weight advantage, he fights dirty, really dirty, and overall much more brutal than Cyclops, and most importantly he has demi-god like damage soak. Short of killing him there is no sure way to put Frank down for the count, his durability / damage soak is insane.
for once, we're in full agreement lol...
Originally posted by Bentley
Featwise, Punisher is better. But Cyclops has defeated Wolverine, he is no chump. Given their history this is close to 50-50.
Originally posted by Battlehammerwhen has Frank shown any MA skills? Frank fights on instinct moreso than skills...he's a street fighter. Cyclops is much better trained.
When the hell has scot shown MA skills on the level of Punisher......I think people are serously overestimating scot and vastly underestimating Punisher
Originally posted by Starscream M
when has Frank shown any MA skills? Frank fights on instinct moreso than skills...he's a street fighter. Cyclops is much better trained.
scot not a more highly train h2h fight in the least that absurd.
Originally posted by Battlehammermilitary training focuses primarily on weapons/tactics, not CQC.
what training has he received that is more then Punsiher who has received h2h training in many area of the military including special opts which he excelled at.
At least that's what I've been told.
It'd be more likely that Scott would have just as much or more hth training than Frank.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
what training has he received that is more then Punsiher who has received h2h training in many area of the military including special opts which he excelled at.
Frank has military training. Disarming, lethal holds and blows, stuff like that. Scott has trained in Aikido and something else.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
..........that makes no senses.....you do realize that the goal of MA is to have fighting come instinctively......your statement contradicts one another......scot not a more highly train h2h fight in the least that absurd.
He fought like six guys blindfolded and won.
Originally posted by Mindset
military training focuses primarily on weapons/tactics, not CQC.At least that's what I've been told.
It'd be more likely that Scott would have just as much or more hth training than Frank.
Each branch of the military teaches h2h combat. They have master martial artists who come in and teach. Marine have the most advances training and even a normal soldier is taught how to effectivly fight well in h2h. Punisher took a number of advances trainings and special opts which train solider vastly in the area of h2h combat. Punisher was the best.
Not at all. scot a judo practitioner, punisher has far more varsitile training that is used for killing. Oh and Punisher also has done training of other MA styles out side the military which he shown mastery of, one of which is shown in the second to last page of the punisher respect thread.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Didn't Scott train hard after he lost the fight to Storm?He started taking lessons from Wolverine, Beast, Pete, etc.