Originally posted by Zack Fair👆... Most of his dozen(or so) blows drew visible blood.
The 1thing that makes it so ridiculous is that Vegetable managed to draw blood.
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Aside from that, I'm surprised no one has commented on Akira's introduction of a canon multiverse. For decades there has only been a single universe/4 galaxies, along with a few random pocket dimensions, that comprise the DBZ totality... Now he all of the sudden hits us with the revelation that there are, in fact, 12 separate universes within the DBZ continuum, and the 'mainstream' DBZ universe is merely the 7th universe in that chain.
Don't see why Akira would drop such a massive cosmological change like that, unless he planned on majorly expanding DBZ in the future.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixGinyu looks beastly.
http://kotaku.com/realistic-dragonball-looks-effing-tough-1339909376
Supreme Kai was shitting himself when they saw the one guy Vegeta curbed without breaking a sweat. And that guys trump card was like 10x Earth's gravity while Frieza went toe to toe with a guy who could handle 100x Earth's gravity.
On the other hand Supreme Kai fought Buu and lived to tell the tale. Yeah he would have died but Buu would by all rights slaughter Frieza without even noticing him. Lasting even a little bit is impressive though I forget how the fight played out.
Originally posted by AuraAngelIn the manga, Supreme Kai delivered a few TK-attacks that made Buu flinch a bit, and was effortlessly swatted aside after doing so:
On the other hand Supreme Kai fought Buu and lived to tell the tale. Yeah he would have died but Buu would by all rights slaughter Frieza without even noticing him. Lasting even a little bit is impressive though I forget how the fight played out.
Although like you mentioned: Kai was literally awestruck at base-level Vegeta's power when he effortlessly killed Pui Pui(who I'm confident was vastly inferior to Frieza), so it's hard to gauge him. Tbh, I really wouldn't be surprised if he was sub-Frieza-level-- Kami/Dende, King Yemma, Northern Kai, and Grand Kai are proof that a character does not need to possess a huge level of power in order to be gifted with a huge cosmological role.
There's something I heard said somewhere else.
Did Bills say something about Goku in base form being weaker than Frieza? I've heard several people say he did say that in the subs, and then Goku agreed to that assessment and showed him the transformations, thus confirming to Bills that he did beat Frieza.
Originally posted by CosmicCometI've been waiting for someone to comment on this. 👆
There's something I heard said somewhere else.Did Bills say something about Goku in base form being weaker than Frieza? I've heard several people say he did say that in the subs, and then Goku agreed to that assessment and showed him the transformations, thus confirming to Bills that he did beat Frieza.
Yes, Bills did confirm that base-level Goku(post-Buu-era)<Frieza:
That's a pretty hard-line, unexpected, and out of nowhere statement.
At the very least, it actually helps a great deal in PL calculations. lol.
So Goku as of BoG, in base form, has a PL less than 120 million. Probably not greatly less, seeing as Bills says it more along the lines of 'probably' as opposed to 'definitely', but at least noticeably.
Originally posted by CosmicComet👆 When Bills went to sleep 39 years prior, there was not a single being that possessed even a micro-fraction of Frieza's power-- hence his shock at the revelation that anyone(let alone a Saiyan) had killed Frieza while he was slumbering.
That's a pretty hard-line, unexpected, and out of nowhere statement.At the very least, it actually helps a great deal in PL calculations. lol.
So Goku as of BoG, in base form, has a PL less than 120 million. Probably not greatly less, seeing as Bills says it more along the lines of 'probably' as opposed to 'definitely', but at least noticeably.
But yeah, his comment helps gauge PLs a lot.
Goku's SSJ PL can't be more than 6,000,000,000.
His SSJ2 PL can't be more than 12,000,000,000.
His SSJ3 PL can't be more than 48,000,000,000.
Originally posted by KentoAfter Bills gave his assessment of Goku, North Kai agreed with him:
Goku wasn't powered up either when Bills came.Also Kaioshin said he was powerful enough to destroy Freeza in a single blast.
Originally posted by CosmicComet👆 👆
Goku was in training mode.He was not supressed.
Goku agreed with Bills assessment.
I guess the Kaoishin statement has now been retconned, as Bills' word >>>>>>>> theirs, not to mention, its more recent.
RETCONS ALL AROUND EVERYONE. TARBLE EXISTS TOO.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆 When Bills went to sleep 39 years prior, there was not a single being that possessed even a micro-fraction of Frieza's power-- hence his shock at the revelation that anyone(let alone a Saiyan) had killed Frieza while he was slumbering.But yeah, his comment helps gauge PLs a lot.
Goku's SSJ PL can't be more than 6,000,000,000.
His SSJ2 PL can't be more than 12,000,000,000.
His SSJ3 PL can't be more than 48,000,000,000.
It is not as simple as that:
120m*50
120m*50*2
120m*50*2*4
Because at SSJ2, Goku was stronger than Gohan was at the cell games. Probably much stronger because he had to increase his power enough to reach SSJ3.
But the "probably" in those screen captures also indicates that Goku is not very far off from Frieza in his base form. Which means Goku's base form has gotten really strong by that point in the series.
The "probably" indicates that some techniques could still be used to defeat Frieza: instant transmission comes to mind.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I guess this now means Piccolo >>>> Base Saiyans.Since he is at least superior to 18.
Way to go Piccolo! Gaining some respect again, albeit indirectly.
Why would anyone think Piccolo wasn't above them? He fared much better against the androids post-fusion than Vegeta did.
Originally posted by dadudemonIt is, though. Based on Bills' comment, we know that Goku's PL at base is no higher than 120m. Therefore, his SSJ PL cannot be above 6b, his SSJ2 PL cannot be above 12b, and his SSJ3 PL cannot be above 48b... And this is all post-Buu-era.
It is not as simple as that:120m*50
120m*50*2
120m*50*2*4
Tbh, those PLs are much higher than I would have ever theorized.
Originally posted by dadudemonIn all fairness, all Vegeta said is that SSJ2 Goku was "stronger than Gohan was when he fought Cell." This could mean that Goku was a lot stronger than Cell-era Gohan, or it could mean that he was only a bit more powerful. Either way, it still doesn't change the fact that Goku's SSJ2 PL wasn't above 12b-- and when he battled Majin Vegeta it would have logically been much less, given that they battled several years before the events of BoG.
Because at SSJ2, Goku was stronger than Gohan was at the cell games. Probably much stronger because he had to increase his power enough to reach SSJ3.
Originally posted by dadudemonI agree.
But the "probably" in those screen captures also indicates that Goku is not very far off from Frieza in his base form. Which means Goku's base form has gotten really strong by that point in the series.The "probably" indicates that some techniques could still be used to defeat Frieza: instant transmission comes to mind.
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