CIS LESS Dr Strange vs CIS LESS Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Nihilist
Wait a sec you want to play on the cis part, yet Galactus and Death couldnt get past Stranges shields but that scan isnt pis.

Galactus jobs, it's what he does and he's the best at what he does!

Death ... dunno, outside of embarrassing Thanos I can't recall much of what she's done that's at all noteworthy.

Ah! yes, wiping out the Cancerverse, but that I gather was more akin to being the catalytic in some huge cosmic-chain-reaction.

Anyway, back on-topic, Surfer gets past Strange's auto-shield, either by phasing or by constantly blasting and cumulatively wearing down Strange, whilst at the same time remaining intangible and projecting illusions and using multiple boards as further points of attack.

Originally posted by janus77
and your argument here being?

Galactus jobs, it's what he does and he's the best at what he does!

Death ... dunno, outside of embarrassing Thanos I can't recall much of what she's done that's at all noteworthy.

Ah! yes, wiping out the Cancerverse, but that I gather was more akin to being the catalytic in some huge cosmic-chain-reaction.

Anyway, back on-topic, Surfer gets past Strange's auto-shield, either by phasing or by constantly blasting and cumulatively wearing down Strange, whilst at the same time remaining intangible and projecting illusions and using multiple boards as further points of attack.

Originally posted by Nihilist
And stood up to greater than Surfer, works boths ways.

Originally posted by janus77
Good thing that Surfer can phase through stuff then, as well as draw power from the environment to boost his attacks, if need be 🙂.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Just your usual excuses,bullshit and a bit of baiting...good job proving what i thought.

dunno about the baiting though ... I'll gladly concede that you're the master there ... I think you're the one with the kleenex shares and the Thanos undies 😉

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Strange would have to think "stop time" before he could even begin to perform the spell needed to cause it...

Strange dies long, long, before the thought process "stop time" completes itself...

First of all, let me correct something. Surfer can't do a million different things (as far as attacking) before Strange or any human makes a thought. Not even close. Surfer has great speed and great reactions but that doesn't mean that each exotic attacking action is so fast than he can do X amount one after the other faster than Strange can think. For example, Surfer can blast probably faster than Strange can think but he can't blast and then after do a different type of attack all before Strange can think.

Second, a character doesn't have to move with the same speed as the attack in order to defend against it. If a bullet travels 100ft towards a being then that being must be able to move around a couple of feet while the bullet is in the air in order to move out of the way. That means he must have 2/100th or .02 or 2% of the bullets speed in order to defend against it. Now if the bullet started at 500 meters or about 1500ft away (battle distance) then he would need to move at 2/1500th or .0013 or 0.13% of the speed of the bullet to defend.

Finally, can Strange move with 0.13% of the speed of light? Well he is amped with magic and thus his whole person is above human levels (perception is different too). This includes both speed and reflexes. So it is plausible that he's this fast. But if he isn't then at least he has auto shields to blunt the initial attacks in order to stop time and beat Surfer at his leisure.

It all depends on the strength of the auto shields if you ask me.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Show me Surfer phasing through blasts or shielding then, i forgot Strange doesnt have a vast resource of power and powerful beings to draw from.

as regards Strange's resources, they exist and are very powerful indeed.. but they take time, which he does not have, they take effort, which he cannot afford to spare from the immediate objective of keeping his shit from being annihilated instantly and in most cases they would constitute outside help 😉

Originally posted by janus77
[B]ah, excuses... like the ones you are handing out to negate from on-panel evidence that fake-Surfer's blast was getting through Strange's auto-shield?

dunno about the baiting though ... I'll gladly concede that you're the master there ... I think you're the one with the kleenex shares and the Thanos undies 😉

Originally posted by Nihilist
Wow a 10yrs old comeback...

Originally posted by janus77
go check the respect thread, it's a basic part of Surfer's powerset.

as regards Strange's resources, they exist and are very powerful indeed.. but [b]they take time, which he does not have, they take effort, which he cannot afford to spare from the immediate objective of keeping his shit from being annihilated instantly and in most cases they would constitute outside help 😉

Originally posted by janus77
age appropriate response 😉

Originally posted by janus77
dunno about the baiting though ... I'll gladly concede that you're the master there ... I think you're the one with the kleenex shares and the Thanos undies 😉

Originally posted by h1a8
First of all, let me correct something. Surfer can't do a million different things (as far as attacking) before Strange or any human makes a thought. Not even close. Surfer has great speed and great reactions but that doesn't mean that each exotic attacking action is so fast than he can do X amount one after the other faster than Strange can think. For example, Surfer can blast probably faster than Strange can think but he can't blast and then after do a different type of attack all before Strange can think.

hmm, not so sure about that.... he thinks at nano-speeds and has tracked and captured a dancing electron (think it was an electron, or something similar) that moved at c. his speed advantage would be very large imo. i DO agree his exotic abilities could take longer though, but i do think he could blitz and get off a LOT of blasts before stephen could think about it. like you though, i question his shields. if ss can break them he wins. if strange can get off an attack, there is a good chance he could win. i for one don't think ss could manipulate the environment through the shields. it would fall to ss to break them. or strange would likely take him out.

Originally posted by Nihilist
And stood up to greater than Surfer, works boths ways.

Fact is, in the same comic where everyone is like "OMG look at how powerful his auto shields are" his auto shields don't hold up against the same guy (who is a weaker version of Silver Surfer with less experience) when he puts a little more into it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Really, show me my childish comeback like what you posted then like this.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I realize. But "Galactus and Death" is not even close to the norm for his shield strength.

Fact is, in the same comic where everyone is like "OMG look at how powerful his auto shields are" his auto shields don't hold up against the same guy (who is a weaker version of Silver Surfer with less experience) when he puts a little more into it.

Originally posted by janus77
I said age appropriate, not that you had any form of wit!
I discerned your age from the general standard of your arguments.
Either a 10yr old or a very gifted potted plant.

Originally posted by Nihilist
But we are using them at their best without cis, so it makes sense for Strange to be using his strongest form of shielding to counter Surfer clear speed advantage to make this a real debate and not "fight ends in 0000.1 second" moron stance.

CIS doesn't make his shield weaker or stronger, plot does. Unless it says his own mind is weakening his shield...

His auto shields make this a real fight. And as we have seen... they aren't without fail. Which makes me believe Surfer ends him

Originally posted by Nihilist
"yawn" yeah you u mad about my handing you your ass sometime.

As for the business of handing people their arses, I only care for shapely ones of the feminine form, I neither grope nor deliver any other kind... I just merely out wit and out think 😉

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Strange calls it an ersatz version of the power cosmic. It was a weaker version

Also this (same issue as the "auto shields"😉:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/?action=view&current=DrStrangeSorcerersupre37-21.jpg
😖hifty:

Ok. No disputing what I said. Its still pc.

Of course you're not gonna see auto shields every occasion from Steve vs. an opponent. What kind of writing would it be then?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok. No disputing what I said. Its still pc.

Of course you're not gonna see auto shields every occasion from Steve vs. an opponent. What kind of writing would it be then?

He did have auto shields though... and it was from the same issue as the commonly brought up case of his "auto shields", that people use to say how powerful they are. Can't get more clear cut than that.