Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I think Tyrant is the ideal opponent for Galactus due to his energy siphoning powers and technopthy. But Odin imo is overall stronger and pretty much tier leader of Skyfathers.

Originally posted by zopzop
Hilarious, people will ride that "Kubik universe warping" feat to the ground, while lowballing Tyrant.

Based on his powerset and energy sources I think he has a good chance against every Tier , with Tiers 5 and 7 being the major headaches and that's only because of the Trans Tier beings.

Regarding the Skyfathers and Elder Gods, Tyrant gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe (let's just ignore his other source of power, his energy spheres for now). The Gods (both Skyfathers and Elders) were created by the Demiurge in the biosphere of the planet Earth. Tyrant will literally be empowered by their assaults. Even if the biospheric energy was metabolized into something else, Tyrant can still absorb it. As he showed vs Galactus when he stated that the Power Cosmic was nothing more than synthesized biospheric energy.

Proof :

a) The Gods were formed from the Biosphere and Demiurge is a part of it -

b) Tyrant (even "DP" Tyrant) draws power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe (stated by both Galactus and Tyrant)-

c) Even biospheric energy that has been synthesized into other forms of power (like the Power Cosmic) can be absorbed by him -
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg

He annihilates Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
He annihilates Odin.

Wild speculation 😛

Originally posted by Bentley
Wild speculation 😛

Hey it's not like I'm just making this stuff up dev

Nah, if Marvel had tight continuity your argument would likely hold true, but the their cosmic characters get rebooted all the time ermm

It's a good find.

Originally posted by zopzop
Based on his powerset and energy sources I think he has a good chance against every Tier , with Tiers 5 and 7 being the major headaches and that's only because of the Trans Tier beings.

Regarding the Skyfathers and Elder Gods, Tyrant gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe (let's just ignore his other source of power, his energy spheres for now). The Gods (both Skyfathers and Elders) were created by the Demiurge in the biosphere of the planet Earth. Tyrant will literally be empowered by their assaults. Even if the biospheric energy was metabolized into something else, Tyrant can still absorb it. As he showed vs Galactus when he stated that the Power Cosmic was nothing more than synthesized biospheric energy.

It doesn't even matter if Tyrant is able to absorb Odin's attacks or not. If he can then thats a definite advantage in his favor. But if he can't then Tyrant is still in good shape.

If Thanos can withstand a determined Odin + Gungnir then no doubt Tyrant can to an even greater extent. Tyrant would most likely put his invulnerability on display like he did vs. the herald teams as opposed to absorbing any energy.

Originally posted by Sundipped
If Thanos can withstand a determined Odin + Gungnirs knock a determined Tyrant around and elicit pain from him then no doubt Tyrant Odin can to an even greater extent. Tyrant Odin would most likely put his invulnerability power on display like he did vs. the herald teams as opposed to absorbing any energy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Is this unfair of me to think?

Not unfair but it's a couple things wrong though.

1. Tyrant never showed he was going all out like Odin was.
2. Tyrant didn't exactly get "knocked around". Tyrant's own orb did more work than Thanos.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Not unfair but it's a couple things wrong though.

1. Tyrant Odin never showed he was going all out like Odin Tyrant was.
2. Tyrant Odin didn't exactly get "knocked around" come close to "going all out". Tyrant's own orb did more work than Thanos Odin's brought out Gungnir like one other time... to discipline Thor (and failing)... which actually makes sense when comparing it to how he used it against Thanos.

disgust
Seems like the only thing were going to agree on is the staff is pretty much a nonfactor.

The fact that a DP Tyrant punked a Galactus determined to get his herald back is all the proof I need. Galactus went to Asgard with no fear of Odin or anything else that dwells there. We also didn't see Galactus feed or prep in anyway like he did before he took on DP Tyrant. We don't see scans of the Silver Surfer feeling Galactus anguish and fear from light years away because he was about to fight DP Tyrant.

Tyrant came across as more powerful when you look at how they did against a common opponent... Thanos... There is really no two ways about that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Tyrant came across as more powerful when you look at how they did against a common opponent... Thanos... There is really no two ways about that.

Exactly.

Three valid points can be made:
1. Thanos said Tyrant would kill him. He still wanted to fight Odin. Leads me to believe Tyrant>Odin.
2. Zopzop's argument about the Elder/Skyfather Gods biospheric orgin. If indeed the case, leads me to believe Tyrant>Odin.
3. Tyrant causing much more noticible damage to Thanos (with prep/weapon) in a shorter amount of time than Odin did vs. Thanos on the fly. Leads me to believe Tyrant>Odin.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Tyrant came across as more powerful when you look at how they did against a common opponent... Thanos... There is really no two ways about that.

Also Odin one-shotting Drax and Surfer... and Tyrant not one-shotting Gladiator and Surfer... yeah...

I see your point. mhmm

Originally posted by Sundipped
Exactly.

Three valid points can be made:
1. Thanos said Tyrant would kill him. He still wanted to fight Odin. Leads me to believe Tyrant>Odin.
2. Zopzop's argument about the Elder/Skyfather Gods biospheric orgin. If indeed the case, leads me to believe Tyrant>Odin.
3. Tyrant causing much more noticible damage to Thanos (with prep/weapon) in a shorter amount of time than Odin did vs. Thanos on the fly. Leads me to believe Tyrant>Odin.

It's insane isn't it? Thanos had SIX ISSUES OF PREP (Cosmic Powers 1-6) and an amp as stated by Terrax himself : "such a source of power is his greatest asset and his greatest vulnerability should it be turned against him" -

The Gods were born of the biosphere of the planet (on panel and confirmed in the Handbook) and DP Tyrant gets his power from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. DP Tyrant can absorb the biospheric energy even if it's been synthesized into something else (like the Power Cosmic) .

Even other beings wanted to get their hands on those Orbs as sources of power :

Originally posted by zopzop
[b]Part II - The Jakar Section

As some of you know, Jakar is the Stranger's rival. He constantly looks for ways to one up and conquer him. Jakar saw what went down between Thanos and Tyrant and wants the "Orbs of Knowledge" as he calls them from Tyrant as a source of power to one up the Stranger. He sends Jack of Hearts as a diversion and the two Spinsters will steal an Orb and bring it to Jakar.

The plan works and he gets his hands on an Orb and claims it's the key to helping him conquer this universe!

Some interesting Tyrant tidbits are to be found here too. He apparently puts himself in a self induced coma for whatever reason while he's not out conquering. And his worldship is of techno-organic nature.

Part II continued.... (after Tyrant's death)

This scene takes place after Tyrant and Galactus were "killed" by the UN backlash. Jakar still claims the Orb, once he unlocks it's power, will be key to helping him conquer the universe. When the Surfer threatens to destroy Jakar's tech (he has no innate power, all the stuff he does is because of his advance tech), he doesn't care "I have the Orb, I have no need of...".

So IMHO, taking all of this into consideration, Thanos was most definitely "amped" by the Orb when he took on Tyrant.

Coming soon, the Tyrant vs Jack of Hearts/Legacy/Ganymede/Terrax fight. [/B]

you forgot about the more obvious points...

Thanos wasn't looking for a fight with Odin, but in fact, his help. This is in stark contrast to how he fought again Tyrant.. He went looking for a fight... prepped and studied his opponent and lastly had an amp.

thanos never once feared for his life nor thought about backing down from Odin having felt his power... against Tyrant he admitted Tyrant would kill him if he stayed and promptly left.

Yet will all of the above circumstances.. ya know the important ones like prepping and being amped on one hand and not wanting to fight nor amped or prepped... but Thanos got dealt with in much quicker time against Tyrant.

Did we also forget how thanos according to you.. used a shield against Odin.. Thanos never used one against Tyrant.. or let me guess.. you have another make believe shield in that fight as well?

Galactus goes to face Odin... doesn't seem scared or threatened by Odin at all.. in fact he acts like always does against tough foes like Agamotto, In-Betweener, Mephisto, Ego etc etc.. demeaning and unconcered about them... This is in stark contrast to how he acted when he realized he was going to face Tyrant... The first time he backed down for fear of galaxies being destroyed.. the second time.. he prepped and fed before the battle...

What does this all point to when talking about common foes of Galactus and Thanos and how they acted... Tyrant came across as more powerful.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did we also forget how thanos according to you.. used a shield against Odin.. Thanos never used one against Tyrant.. or let me guess.. you have another make believe shield in that fight as well?

When you get over the fact that Tyrant got toppled by Thanos, and Tyrant didn't one-shot heralds as easily as Odin did, and Odin wasn't even close to appearing to be going all-out, let me know. Until then, seizing upon the non-finality of Odin's fight -- which was interrupted by Sif -- isn't advancing your case. I'm sure if Ganymede stopped Tyrant's fight before it's inevitable conclusion, people would be drooling at how much of a stalemate it was.

This:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/godsm.jpg/

Doesn't lead me to believe the pantheons of earth gods were ever forged directly from the biosphere. In fact, that bio alludes to the pantheons of earth gods being created after mankind- which, as we know now, is not the case. Therefore, I'd personally tend to question it's current validity.

^ I just think the whole idea that Tyrant could readily absorb any pantheon's attacks because they're "biospheric" would make more sense had he absorbed Thanos' -- y'know.. a descendant of the Eternals offshoot, the Titans.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I just think the whole idea that Tyrant could readily absorb any pantheon's attacks because they're "biospheric" would make more sense had he absorbed Thanos' -- y'know.. a descendant of the Eternals offshoot, the Titans.

The thing about that though is the fact that all the energy projection came from the orb. Not Thanos.