Originally posted by OneDumbG0Doom took advantage of a situation to get the better of Galactus during secret wars. Doom couldnt just pwn Galactus on his own. Thanos has had Galactus as his prisoner before while choosing no to usurp his power because it wasnt his goal. The guy was simply bored during annihilation. He has already held ultimate power enough. NO ONE TOOK IT FROM HIM in marvel's the end. Doom had it taken from him.
You're using logic to shortchange Doom's personal humbling of Galactus when that logic would completely shortchange Thanos' feats as well. Thanos used the Power Gem to defeat the Gardener, not his own personal power. Thanos used the Time Gem to defeat the Runner, not his own personal power. By arguing that Doom didn't take down Galactus with his own personal power, you've now completely destroyed Thanos' own personal best feats. As you can easily see, it was Doom's own intelligence and guile that took down Galactus.And Thanos has only done so whilst using an artifact of power that far surpasses Galactus in power, i.e. Infinity Gauntlet or THOTU. Otherwise, he's deferred to greater beings. Reed has beaten Abraxas with the Ultimate Nullifier, one of the most powerful artifacts in comics. Are you going to suggest that he should get more personal props than Thor who drove back a weak Galactus with Mjolnir? Then use that false distinction to argue that Reed would beat Thor in a curbstomp? I think not. You're waffling in your logic. You don't need to. Very few people have put much thought into what Dr. Doom has accomplished throughout the years. He gets automatic respect in the prep department, but not nearly as much as he deserves.
Doom could handle Beyonder's power a second time. I will get scans confirming this when I can. I'm not saying this speculatively. I'm saying this on the basis of on-panel proof. Dr. Doom would contain the Beyonder's power if he had a second chance. And 616 Doom is and always was Secret Wars Dr. Doom. That has been made clear to me with the newest scans that Mr. Master posted. The so-called "future" that Dr. Doom came from was the present-time in Fantastic Four #288. There was never some far-flung distant future or alternate reality Earth-12145 something-or-other where Beyonder grabbed Doom from. That feat is, and always has been 616 Dr. Doom's.
Thanos would never beat Doom in a stomp. Not when Doom is Thanos' superior in several key areas and matches Thanos' best feats in the cosmic arena. Keep your opinion, I know I won't change it. But there's no need to ignore or miscontrue what exactly Dr. Doom has accomplished.
This isnt about who can get the better of Galactus its about who is better at prepping and the answer is clearly Thanos. Thanos gets what he desires. Most wouldnt even give the feat to 616 Doom anyways.
I dont get the Thor and Reed comparison at all. Seriously,it isnt like Doom just pwned Galactus on his own. He was busy with the beyonder and his attention wasnt just on Dooml like Galactus' was when Thanos got his attention in his own series. Dont misconstrue these events and give Doom more credit than he deserves.
Id like to see the scans confirming this.
I havent really paid attention to you and mr masters debate on this issue,but it seems he disagrees with you. What I have read is that the beyonder manipulated these events and allowed them to take place,so really the beyonder let the feat stand.
