World War Hulk vs Superman

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Originally posted by Kutulu
Let's look at a list of who Hulk has fought and won against that can move faster than light:

Thor - can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, and fly FTL. Even though currently Thor has the higher win / loss ratio at the moment, a weaker form of the Hulk has taken him down before pre-WWH.

Gladiator - fast enough to catch a ship in Hyperspace that had a head start. Easily flies many times the speed of light, has shown speed blitzing before, such as here:

and to those who think that Superman is vastly stronger than Hulk, here is an example of Gladiator's strength / speed, note how they are fighting at planet-crushing force and attacking in nanoseconds:

This is someone that Hulk beat to a pulp in just a few pages, less than his fight with Sentry.

In regards to Superman vibrating so fast, Hulk has defended against that before as well, when he trapped Vision inside of him. His body literally becomes dense enough to affect even pure energy.

Hulk has fought Hyperion as well, who was very fast and strong, another character similar to Superman:
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/2548/hulkhype27zg.jpg
http://img148.echo.cx/img148/162/hyperion1b6vt.jpg

He's won against Sentry, who as shown above can react in nanoseconds.

High Evolutionary why not as fast or strong as Superman was super durable in his armor, Hulk rips it to shreds like it's cotton:
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3331/evolutionary29fu.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/3531/evolutionary39yq.jpg

Hulk has also defeated Hercules numerous times, who's strength and durability are on par with Thor's:
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/6620/hercules5zx.jpg

Punches into WonderMan (showing that he could affect a phased Superman):

Here's a scan showing that Hulk can in fact move very fast when he wants to:

As per Zeeder:

In regards to the people saying that Superman's heat vision was immeasurable, yet they could measure All Star Superman's strength, well put this into perspective:

In regards to the people saying Hulk is too slow to do anything:

Hulk is a lot faster than people give him credit for here, and his accuracy combined with that is more than enough to keep up with top tier FTL brawlers.

Now let's take a look at the power difference of WWH versus the Hulk shown in the scans above.

This is what Sentry would be capable of doing to Hulk pre-WWH:
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6323/hulkvoidsentryfo0.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9804/voidhulkdq7.jpg

Now in WWH 5 we all see that Hulk defeats Sentry (or at the bare minimum the Hulk haters will say they stalemated, whatever). The point being is that in WWH #5 he was easily strong enough to resist a much more powerful attack by Sentry than what the Void did, and overcome it. So you can amplify the fights above by that much increased level of strength, cunning, and to an extent, speed.

Through this I have shown how Hulk has matched Marvel's equivilant of Superman type characters and defeated them. Whether you are a DC fan or not, Hulk has many times defeated characters that can bust planets, and that can move faster than light. The above battles, with the exception of Sentry, were all pre-WWH fights, where he was weaker than he was during WWH, especially at the end of #5 where his power was so overwhelming that had Sentry / Thor / Silver Surfer fought him at that point they would have gotten stomped even quicker.

I rest my case. Let the flaming / Hulk hate-fest begin.

Nicely done. I love how you show that he has defeated Gladiator who is a Superman like character very much so and that he beat him when he wasnt even at his most powerful.

I also think just becuz a character destorys a planet it doesnt mean they are all that. I mean Terrax can do that with seemingly little to no effort and Sentry treated him like a bich. Sentry punked him like he was some clown. Sure Sentry didnt destroy new york when he went off but in comics everything doesnt always get destroyed. its new york and we know they werent going to wreck it completely.

Originally posted by pr1983
were those matches in hulk comics? genuine question, not being snarky or anything...

thor has the hammer, which gives him a hugely effective weapon to fight superman with... he's also, you know, a god... 😛

gladiator's abilities arent nearly shown to their potential often enough imo, but he definitely has what it takes to beat superman if his confidence is high enough... his powers as far as ive seen are pretty comparable...

But if Hulk can defeat them when he isnt even at his most powerful why can he not defeat Superman when hes at the strongest levels that we have seen him at? Hulk who wasnt at his best beat Gladiator who wasnt at his best. Why do you focus on Gladiator not being up to full potential when the Hulk isnt close to full potential either.

Originally posted by Kutulu

This is what Sentry would be capable of doing to Hulk pre-WWH:
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6323/hulkvoidsentryfo0.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9804/voidhulkdq7.jpg

From my understanding Savage Hulk was actually calmed down so he was at base level strength. Sentry did something to him so he remained calm.

Originally posted by pr1983

did he genuinely catch them, or where they jobbing/was PIS involved?

Hulk has shown that he can not only adapt to power but speed as well. Hulk has hit Quicksilver pretty easily and has caught a tank shell at quite a close distance. Now im aware that these feats are not at lightspeed levels but it does indicate that he can move fast when motivated. Hulks body can adapt to different evinronments and can enable him to actually physically handle energy beings when it should be physically impossible, hell Hulk even has astral vision. This therefore indicates that Hulk can adapt anything even speed.

Just because the writers dont state that soimebody is moving at high speed doesnt neccesarily mean they are not you would need to look at the cirumstance. For example Fallen One charges at Thanos, was he travelling fast or slow? Logic dictates that he was travelling very fast because he was in a life and death situation where he could end up getting killed. Also when somebody who has superspeed is fighting the Hulk eventhough its not stated we could assume they are using it because they need to use it to survive also Hulk has some good speed feats as well.

Originally posted by pr1983

shaking his hand really fast doesnt mean he can fight and react to the faster chars using their speed, imo...

Wouldnt you need to have fast reflexes to move your hand very fast?

Originally posted by grey fox

Maggedon Wheel feat ,

As far as I have seen all othetr feats are significatntly lower in terms of strength so that could be considered to be PIS.

Originally posted by grey fox

T-Vo,

Not really sure what that is something to do with the astral plane? I think a version of the Hulk beat up Nightmare and Nightmare is an elder demon.

Originally posted by grey fox

Closing a blackhole with his bare hands ,

A small blackhole that doesnt compare to destroying a whole dimension with a thunderclap.

Originally posted by grey fox

Moving 20x faster then the speed of light,

Hulk has fought FTL characters....

Originally posted by grey fox

Wide-beam heatvision.

....and?

Originally posted by grey fox

These are the things which >>>>> WWH.

None of those feats top destroying a dimension with one thunderclap so you're wrong.

Originally posted by Alfheim
As far as I have seen all othetr feats are significatntly lower in terms of strength so that could be considered to be PIS.

Not really sure what that is something to do with the astral plane? I think a version of the Hulk beat up Nightmare and Nightmare is an elder demon.

A small blackhole that doesnt compare to destroying a whole dimension with a thunderclap.

Hulk has fought FTL characters....

....and?

None of those feats top destroying a dimension with one thunderclap so you're wrong.

The meggadon wheel feat is PIS, but you think its reasonable, and realistic to destroy a univer- oh wait, you're the guy who thinks hulk should give off thunderclap shockwaves just from the hulk moving...

Originally posted by Creshosk
The meggadon wheel feat is PIS, but you think its reasonable, and realistic to destroy a univer-

oh wait, you're the guy who thinks hulk should give off thunderclap shockwaves just from the hulk moving...

I see the mageddon feat as PIS because lots of his other feats are far below it eg having problems with planetoids. Hulk also has another feat which is even greater where his strength is felt over dimensions...and its been said on panel that there is no limit to his strength. I also interpret a dimension as a small universe and not neccesarily the size of earth.

Originally posted by Creshosk

oh wait, you're the guy who thinks hulk should give off thunderclap shockwaves just from the hulk moving...

It could be intepreted that way since it said on panel that footsteps where shaking the earth and that was the most powerful version of the Hulk generating energy.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I see the mageddon feat as PIS because lots of his other feats are far below it eg having problems with planetoids. Hulk also has another feat which is even greater where his strength is felt over dimensions...and its been said on panel that there is no limit to his strength. I also interpret a dimension as a small universe and not neccesarily the size of earth.

It could be intepreted that way since it said on panel that footsteps where shaking the earth and that was the most powerful version of the Hulk generating energy.

Good to see your general lack of understanding extends to quantum mechnics... I was almost worried you knew something about anything. Since its obvious you don't I can rest easy.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Good to see your general lack of understanding extends to quantum mechnics... I was almost worried you knew something about anything. Since its obvious you don't I can rest easy.

Quantum mechanics? its a comic book! Dimensions are like planets they vary in size.

A person may have an ability to push planets but it could vary according to the size of the planet. Pluto is smaller than the moon and would not be as good a feat as pushing Jupiter.

I would have expected dimensions to vary in size just as planets do thats why they have the phrase "pocket dimension".

Originally posted by Alfheim
Quantum mechanics? its a comic book! Dimensions are like planets they vary in size.
And appearently the material that they are comprised of is effected by kinetic energy? Surely you jest.

Originally posted by Alfheim
A person may have an ability to push planets but it could vary according to the size of the planet. Pluto is smaller than the moon and would not be as good a feat as pushing Jupiter.
And I'm sure your planet example would be relivant if dimensions were the same thing as planets.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I would have expected dimensions to vary in size just as planets do thats why they have the phrase "pocket dimension".
So the smaller ones are comrpised of a different material than that of the larger ones?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Anyway im not sure what you refering to. Maybe Superman has other feats on the level of mageddon but havent see any and thats what ive been asking for.
Because doing something through physical force that can been done through physical force is alot stupider than doing something through physical force that cannot be done with physical force?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Good to see your general lack of understanding extends to quantum mechnics... I was almost worried you knew something about anything. Since its obvious you don't I can rest easy.

Oh please explain, dear scientist, on how your quantum mechanics applies to pocket dimensions, I am dying to hear this. 🙄

Originally posted by Kutulu
Oh please explain, dear scientist, on how your quantum mechanics applies to pocket dimensions, I am dying to hear this. 🙄
Sarcasm noted. and On that note explain to me how it's logically feasable to destroy even a pocket dimension through a thunderclap.

Please enlighten poor stupid me for thinking that the mechanics of a pocket dimension and the mechanics for the thunderclap are incompatable for the outcome of the interaction as such.

Because certainly a pocket dimension is literally smaller in a 3d spacial sense than a regular dimension is.

Originally posted by pr1983
were those matches in hulk comics? genuine question, not being snarky or anything...

thor has the hammer, which gives him a hugely effective weapon to fight superman with... he's also, you know, a god... 😛

gladiator's abilities arent nearly shown to their potential often enough imo, but he definitely has what it takes to beat superman if his confidence is high enough... his powers as far as ive seen are pretty comparable...

In regards to your question about who's comic book it was in, his one victory against Thor was in Thor's comic book. Gladiator on the other hand doesn't have his own comic book, so obviously it was Hulk's comic where he beat Gladiator.

So back to the question, if Gladiator's powers are comparable, and a weaker form of the Hulk won against Gladiator (pre WWH), then wouldn't WWH stand a fairly good chance against Superman?

Originally posted by Creshosk
And appearently the material that they are comprised of is effected by kinetic energy? Surely you jest.

And I'm sure your planet example would be relivant if dimensions were the same thing as planets.

So the smaller ones are comrpised of a different material than that of the larger ones?

Because doing something through physical force that can been done through physical force is alot stupider than doing something through physical force that cannot be done with physical force?

1. Hulk physical power doesnt just affect things on the physical level. For example he has been able to physically handle energy and redirect energy

2. Im pretty sure if kinetic energy was powerful enough it could affect a uinverse.

3. Its a comicbook.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Oh please explain, dear scientist, on how your quantum mechanics applies to pocket dimensions, I am dying to hear this. 🙄

Hes also an expert on sparring as well. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
1. Hulk physical power doesnt just affect things on the physical level. For example he has been able to physically handle energy and redirect energy
Oh yes that's reasonable. His physical power can effect non-physical things... Do we have an actual explination or is it "Hulk was made enough to defy the lasw of physics"?

Originally posted by Alfheim
2. Im pretty sure if kinetic energy was powerful enough it could affect a uinverse.
How?

Originally posted by Alfheim
3. Its a comicbook.
Stop the presses major newsflash! It's a comic book! 😱 Oh ye gods that changes everything because everything and anything that happens in a comic book is well thought out and logical and not PIS in the slightest.

Can I use this argument against your claims of ANYTHING ever being PIS ever again?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hes also an expert on sparring as well. 😐
😆

Oh alf, never change. Your general lack of knowledge on all subjects amuses me so.

Originally posted by Kutulu
In regards to your question about who's comic book it was in, his one victory against Thor was in Thor's comic book. Gladiator on the other hand doesn't have his own comic book, so obviously it was Hulk's comic where he beat Gladiator.

So back to the question, if Gladiator's powers are comparable, and a weaker form of the Hulk won against Gladiator (pre WWH), then wouldn't WWH stand a fairly good chance against Superman?

So through ABC logic you're saying that Gladiator =superman?

You know what's great about ABC Logic?

Spiderman beat hulk once, as did captain America, Hulk beat thor, thor beat ego, ego stalemated galactus.

There you go ladies and germs Captain america and Spiderman are greater than Galactus. Using the ABC Logic that Kutulu is so fond of.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So through ABC logic you're saying that Gladiator =superman?

You know what's great about ABC Logic?

Spiderman beat hulk once, as did captain America, Hulk beat thor, thor beat ego, ego stalemated galactus.

There you go ladies and germs Captain america and Spiderman are greater than Galactus. Using the ABC Logic that Kutulu is so fond of.

That question wasn't even directed at you, so STFU and GTFO. stfugtfo

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh yes that's reasonable. His physical power can effect non-physical things... Do we have an actual explination or is it "Hulk was made enough to defy the lasw of physics"?

How?

Stop the presses major newsflash! It's a comic book! 😱 Oh ye gods that changes everything because everything and anything that happens in a comic book is well thought out and logical and not PIS in the slightest.

Can I use this argument against your claims of ANYTHING ever being PIS ever again?

😆

Oh alf, never change. Your general lack of knowledge on all subjects amuses me so.

Once again you make yourself look like a fool.

Hulk's powers are not just limited to being physical. It's been proven time and time again.

In regards to the Dark Cosmos feat:

He blanketed the Hulk and Barbara in shadow, and knocked the Hulk off of one of the floating islands of the realm. However, while he couldn't see where he was, the Hulk could feel another island as he landed on it, and he struck out at the island in seemingly futile rage; but as the rock shattered, it released a dazzling burst of light energy, which disrupted the shadow power of the Sceptre of Shadows, allowing the Hulk to see the Night-Crawler and approach him anew. As the Night-Crawler prepared to unleash "far deadlier powers" from his Sceptre, Barbara hurled a rock which shattered it.

Furious that the woman had accomplished -- via the light energy of the rock -- what millennia of savage foes failed to do, Night-Crawler grabbed Barbara and prepared to make her pay the price. The Hulk leapt at the Night-Crawler and knocked him away from Barbara, saving her, but then the Crawler turned his sonic beams on the Hulk. The Hulk clapped his hands together and created a backlash of sonic force, which interacted with the Crawler's own to form a resonant frequency that shattered all of the solid matter in the Dark Dimension. The Night-Crawler then transported them all to the realm of the Undying Ones, in order to save them from his own, collapsing realm.

Originally posted by Kutulu
That question wasn't even directed at you, so STFU and GTFO. stfugtfo
Whom was being asked the stupid question does not make the stupid question any more intelligent. Regardless of the fact that you were asking PR, your implications remain the same.

My point stands. You were implying that Gladiator is the same as Superman and that because Hulk beat gladiator Hulk should beat Superman.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Whom was being asked the stupid question does not make the stupid question any more intelligent. Regardless of the fact that you were asking PR, your implications remain the same.

My point stands. You were implying that Gladiator is the same as Superman and that because Hulk beat gladiator Hulk should beat Superman.

Your point is completely invalid on ABC logic, because the Hulk has variating strength levels. When Hulk fought Gladiator, he was weaker than he was during the Sentry fight. Is that simple enough for your weak mind?