Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is where your blatantly dumb then. Ozy has already displayed VASTLY faster arm movement. We know that 90% of determining what goes into a punch is arm speed. Not shoulders, not legs, not torso. The muscles in your arm are the single most important factor in determining arm speed.

Like I said, you demonstrate again just how little you know about proper punching. You get into a boxing match and use your arm muscles 90% of the time and you'll end up punching like a girl and gassing out within the first round.

Why do you insist on looking at individual components instead of the finished product? You try and debate about what WS has superiority over to show that he can punch faster when all you need to do is watch the fight scenes and see that WS actually DOES punch faster. Kicks faster. Do you deny this? Are you saying that watching their fight scenes that WS does not visually strike faster than Ozy?

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
You can prep to catch a bullet for 100 ****ing years...but you'd still need beyond superhuman reflexes to actually do it you buffoon...especially from six damn feet away
Dr.M is no god
He didn't use any physical means to stop him...so yeah

But did he pull the reactor out?

Its not hard to time a bullet if you are a master prepper.

Him stopping a god is a huge feat. Why are you denying this.

He was pulling the reactor out yes..

Originally posted by FrothByte
Like I said, you demonstrate again just how little you know about proper punching. You get into a boxing match and use your arm muscles 90% of the time and you'll end up punching like a girl and gassing out within the first round.

Why do you insist on looking at individual components instead of the finished product? You try and debate about what WS has superiority over to show that he can punch faster when all you need to do is watch the fight scenes and see that WS actually DOES punch faster. Kicks faster. Do you deny this? Are you saying that watching their fight scenes that WS does not visually strike faster than Ozy?

You're official a moron. I mean seriously dumb. WE'RE TALKING SPEED HERE DIMWIT. The things you mention have to do WITH POWER, TECHNIQUE & POSITIONING. They are minor players when it goes to arm movement/speed. The SINGLE biggest factor is your arm muscles. Period, end of story. So if we already know Ozy has faster arm movement, how can he not punch faster you dumbass?

You can claim he might be able to punch faster, but he won't be able to punch as hard. You could make an argument. Or you could be partial dumb, and go, well sure he can punch faster like he did in the bullet catch feat, but he won't be able to get the proper power behind it. Okay, that is at least better. Wrong, but somewhat reasonable and plausible. Though I'd disagree some.

We're talking about arm speed your buffoon. Not punching power or technique. We're talking arm movement and speed. So I'll again, who's displayed faster arm movement?

Also, I love your whole, just watch the movie, he punches faster. LOL. Cool then. Post the clip of Bucky punching his fastest. Then I want you to tell me how much faster he APPEARS to be punching. Appearance can be deceiving. As I've already pointed out. Ozy didn't need to punch faster. He didn't land a single blow. He was toying with them. Why would he need to do anything faster, he clowned them with ease? So this could easily explain why it didn't APPEAR faster. Further, I've already exposed this fallacy, as just that, a fallacy. We see his arm move in the bullet catch scene. We shouldn't have been able to see a thing if the speed was done to scale. So if he didn't do it to scale there, what makes you think the director was trying to show Ozy punching as fast as he could? Explain that logic to me and then tell me how much faster it appeared????

Originally posted by FrothByte
Exactly. Punching involves much more than just arm or hand movements. That's why someone with fast arm movement doesn't mean they are fast punchers.

Yes, that is exactly what it means. You've never boxed a day in your life, if you had, you'd know that is EXACTLY the biggest factor in speed. It's not your torso, or legs, or back or anything. The SINGLE biggest factor for arm movement is arm speed. Unquestionably, if you have faster arm movement than someone else, you'll be able to punch faster. If you ever boxed you'd know this. What they might not be able to do, is punch as hard. The can get to point A and B first, but they may not have any power behind it. Luckily we're aren't talking about power here, we're talking about punching speed and arm movement. If you actually believe the muscles in your legs, torso, and back determine speed more than your arm speed, you're dumber than Quan. Which as you know, is bottom of the barrel

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't mind Kt, he's doing his raging pouting thing again.

Hey looks its the original clownshoes T.I. Are you proud that you're the first person I called clownshoes in the MvF?

Don't mind Kt, he's doing his raging pouting thing again.

You genderless buffoon, quit using the women's restrooms.

You started calling Quan clownshoes and then you started calling everyone you disagree with clownshoes.

You fcking idiot😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Its not hard to time a bullet if you are a master prepper.

Him stopping a god is a huge feat. Why are you denying this.

He was pulling the reactor out yes..

So ozy prepped himself to catch a bullet from six feet away 😆

And again DR.M wasn't a god this is common knowledge have you even seen watchmen?

Is it necessary to 😂 in every post, when we are having a rational debate?

Why can't he prep himself for a bullet catch? He was the words smartest man.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Is it necessary to 😂 in every post, when we are having a rational debate?

Why can't he prep himself for a bullet catch? He was the words smartest man.

Thats like me prepping myself to pick up a tank 😂

Catching a bullet from six feet away would require speed and reflexes beyond even people like captain America and ws...which ozy had to already had to possess

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Because you can mentally prep your body to do something physically impossible 😆

That like me prepping myself to pick up a tank

Catching a bullet from six feet away would require speed and reflexes beyond even people like captain America and ws

Pretty sure he was the worlds most powerful mortal at the time as well as the smartest, so why could he not prep for it?

Why is it so out of this world to train for something when you are at a high level like that?

Cap blocked many lasers and bullets from the Chitari, Hydra, and Ultron.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Pretty sure he was the worlds most powerful mortal at the time as well as the smartest, so why could he not prep for it?

Why is it so out of this world to train for something when you are at a high level like that?

Cap blocked many lasers and bullets from the Chitari, Hydra, and Ultron.

Ozy had no intention to be shot
And he didn't prep himself to catch a bullet because you simply can't prep yourself to catch a bullet from six feet away no normal man can do that with or without a thousand years of prep. The bullet would be to small and too fast for a anybody to perceive let alone catch from six feet away.

Block is not catching because blocking before any projectile is hurled at you you can have your shield up.

Blocking a bullet possible
Catching a bullet impossible

Man you're pretty stupid, Ozy prepped for every situation, he knew every possible outcome, he wore a kevlar gloves, did you see the look on his face when he was about to catch the bullet. He was smirking, then he caught it and played them like a fool. He had every intention of catching that bullet, Catching a bullet is not impossible, Ozy did it.

Your Hulk comparison is weak, he does not need to prep to be strong, he is strong.

Don't mind T.I. he's never even read the original series. If he had, he'd know Ozy said, well, that's another thing I wasn't sure would work. Clearly demonstrating he didn't prep for it. Nor did the movie ever imply he prepped for anything.

Besides, I already gave team clownshoes the ability to run with the most extreme prep possible.

1. They could believe SS was standing in the exact spot Ozy planned for her to stand

2. He could stand exactly what he planned to stand and x feet away

3. He could had SS arm in a vice so she could only shot at this one spot, and that one spot only so he would know exactly where the bullet was headed.

He could do ALL of that and more, and this speed displayed there still poops on anything WS ever displayed. He would still have to move his arm and hand fast enough to get it into position. His ARMS were at his SIDE when the bullet was fired. So to be able to move your arm so fast you can get it into position from your side AFTER it was fired would take incredible speed. Point is, he could do all of the above prep wise, that doesn't take away from the speed he displayed. Which again, poops on anything WS displayed.

Comic book/ graphic novel feats dont count here, shoes.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't mind T.I. he's never even read the original series. If he had, he'd know Ozy said, well, that's another thing I wasn't sure would work. Clearly demonstrating he didn't prep for it. Nor did the movie ever imply he prepped for anything.

Besides, I already gave team clownshoes the ability to run with the most extreme prep possible.

1. They could believe SS was standing in the exact spot Ozy planned for her to stand

2. He could stand exactly what he planned to stand and x feet away

3. He could had SS arm in a vice so she could only shot at this one spot, and that one spot only so he would know exactly where the bullet was headed.

He could do ALL of that and more, and this speed displayed there still poops on anything WS ever displayed. He would still have to move his arm and hand fast enough to get it into position. His ARMS were at his SIDE when the bullet was fired. So to be able to move your arm so fast you can get it into position from your side AFTER it was fired would take incredible speed. Point is, he could do all of the above prep wise, that doesn't take away from the speed he displayed. Which again, poops on anything WS displayed.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't mind T.I. he's never even read the original series. If he had, he'd know Ozy said, well, that's another thing I wasn't sure would work. Clearly demonstrating he didn't prep for it. Nor did the movie ever imply he prepped for anything.

Besides, I already gave team clownshoes the ability to run with the most extreme prep possible.

1. They could believe SS was standing in the exact spot Ozy planned for her to stand

2. He could stand exactly what he planned to stand and x feet away

3. He could had SS arm in a vice so she could only shot at this one spot, and that one spot only so he would know exactly where the bullet was headed.

He could do ALL of that and more, and this speed displayed there still poops on anything WS ever displayed. He would still have to move his arm and hand fast enough to get it into position. His ARMS were at his SIDE when the bullet was fired. So to be able to move your arm so fast you can get it into position from your side AFTER it was fired would take incredible speed. Point is, he could do all of the above prep wise, that doesn't take away from the speed he displayed. Which again, poops on anything WS displayed.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Comic book/ graphic novel feats dont count here, shoes.

Forum rules for the idiots.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Forum rules for the idiots.

Forum rules also state you cant make shit up about participants...Saying ozy prepped to catch a bullet is not only retarded but its pointless because he'd still rely on HIS physical stats to actually catch you dumbass

Read the forum rules and understand the movie, or better yet watch the film, dumbass.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Forum rules for the idiots.

Since you avoided the question as you were totally clowned on, yet again. I'll ask again. Explain how him prepping for that shot, aided him in moving his hand and arm fast enough to get into position to catch the bullet. Explain how prep aided in his speed.