Originally posted by 123KIDI think someone claimed there were only a few Multiverses in Marvel.
so apart from the fact we now know the Exiles are breaking the Fourth Wall and know about us what does that prove ?
we already knew the omniverse was composed of an infinite number of multiverses didn't we ?
i'm probably missing the significance sorry 🙁
Originally posted by Mr Master
Oh heaven, you did it. 👆Close thread ... mad props to Galan.
I don't know if you read Galans scans properly but if anything they support what i've been saying all along. 😕
Galans scans: "It makes perfect sense that there would be one universe where the 100% true adventures of the New Exiles have been coincidentally produced as though-to-be-fictional comic books."
This statement supports the omniverse definition found in the Handbook of Alternate Universes:
"The Omniverse is a collection of every single universe, dimension etc. This includes the real world
So given that you have repeatedly mocked Marvels definition for its inclusion of the real world, why would you act as if Galans comment supports you?
If its because it refers to there being multiple multiverses so think again because i said:
The main Marvel multiverse is the name given to describe all of the marvel realities that share the traditional hierarchy of the abstracts. Some writers consider each of these realities to be a multiverse unto themselves, why? Because look at Eternity 616 for example, associated with him you have other dimensions such as Asgard, Mephistos realm, the Negative Zone, hyperspace where the Celestials come from snd others. All of those alternate dimensions associated with Eternity 616. However other Eternitys have their same versions of Asgard, Negative Zone etc associated with them however they are still generally deemed universes and all of them together are deemed the Marvel multiverse.That is why you will get the occassional writer referring to "the multiverses" such as featured in about two of your scans, yet despite that all of those realms are deemed The Marvel multiverse.
Tell me again how this helps you out? If anything its a writer supporting the handbook entry i've posted. 😬
Back to the actual thread subject, you haven't posted any official source which contradicts the handbook scans and comic scenes i've posted.
You've posted scans of the Exiles saying they are the protectors of the omniverse, does that rubbish what i've posted? Does that change the fact that Marvel said their collection of realities exists within the same omniverse as other companies like DC? ❌
You've posted scans referring to damage done to the omniverse by the Chaos Wave does that change anything? Does that mean DC can't be a part of the same omniverse? ❌
Why? Marvels collection of realities are a part of the omniverse not the sum of it. The Chaos Wave was only ever shown affecting Marvel realities. And while its stated that DC is a part of the same omniverse, its also stated that its collection of realities is separate from Marvels own.
You've posted Handbook definitions of the omniverse from subsequent bios which don't contradict the one i posted in the slightest. Just what do you think you've proved?
I've posted statements from Marvel stating my point.
I've posted scans of a crossover.
Scans of said crossover being confirmed as canon within handbooks.
Scans of the events of said crossovers events having repercussions into the pages of DC's JLA title.
It doesnt get more conclusive than that.
Show me an official source that states Marvels collection of realities is an omniverse unto itself. I don't want to see you spout your opinion over and over again as to why you think that definitions stupid. That doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to continuity. 😬
Originally posted by Utrigita
Well it can be read in a way to support your view and it can be read in a way to support masters view...
My point is stated point blank, that the omniverse contains Marvels realities and those of other comic book companies.
That is a direct statement there is no room for alternative interpretation.
On top of that i have posted a crossover, handbook scans confirming that crossover as canon and scans of the crossovers events making it into the pages of DC's JLA.
In response to that i have not received an official statement stating the opposite of my statement.
I have simply had a ton of scans coupled with Mr Masters opinion on why he thinks the official statement i've provided isnt the case. Nothing official, just his opinion. That isnt good enough. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My point is stated point blank, that the omniverse contains Marvels realities and those of other comic book companies.That is a direct statement there is no room for alternative interpretation.
On top of that i have posted a crossover, handbook scans confirming that crossover as canon and scans of the crossovers events making it into the pages of DC's JLA.
In response to that i have not received an official statement stating the opposite of my statement.
I have simply had a ton of scans coupled with Mr Masters opinion on why he thinks the official statement i've provided isnt the case. Nothing official, just his opinion. That isnt good enough. 😬
Then you doesn't know you materiel correctly, the omniverse contains everything, oure world included.
Which is taken from a handbook from 2005, Masters has posted one from 2008 which in no manner mention that marvel should share there omniverse.
So that means that every crossover is canon GS, it surely must mean that, ore is it only when it is illustrated in the Handbooks, because in that case Galans analyse is from my point of view a 100% correct.
Have you shown a official up to date statement where Marvel directly stats that they share a omniverse with DC???
Along with the writers comments coupled with handbooks basically he has been doing the same as you, showing that Marvel has a omniverse when they wishes it.
And none of the thing you have posted is influence by your own openion???
I will gladly repeat myself in case you misunderstood, the scan posted by Galan can either be used to support that Marvel has a omniverse of there own, ore that they share one.
It certainly doesn't point one way, though I would say that it points most towards Marvel having there own since it is printed in a Marvel Comic which involved a threat to the Omniverse, actually I think MJJ's bio would be a pefect example in the first one concerning MJJ the Omniverse isn't mentioned only Multiverse, but in the 2008 it is omniverse instead, something would suggest that marvel has changed there views, ore have choosed to redefine there multiverse/megaverse into a omniverse within a omniverse...
but what the hell http://www.marvel.com/universe/Glossary😮#Omniverse
Someone would have thrown it in sooner ore later...
Originally posted by Galan007For all who are still curious,
Here are the excerpts we are referring to,
from the last page of the latest issue of Exiles:"The Omniverse ... There are infinite MULTIverseS inside it"
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ONLY Omniverse I know of that has infinite MULTIverseS
is Marvel's Omniverse!!!
Again, props to brother G on this find,
unfortunately, and as expected though,
it's been spun and twisted by a certain intransigent individual.
At this point, I'm sure all see it, for what it is.
Well ... if Galan's find (from the questionnaires addressed to the "Writers themselves)
wasn't enough for the obtuseness at hand,
perhaps this On Panel corroboration/confirmation will be.
Yet another source from a completely separate Title/Arc/Team ... but from Marvel,
sayin the SAME exact shit as the relevance in Galan's scans:
(Goblin Queen/Beyonder's essence) ... like I said, ONLY Marvel's Omniverse!!!!
"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"
"The MultiverseS ...
the Past ... the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"
✅
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Hmm ... perhaps just the term MultiverseS on its own isn't enough.
Meh, how's this then ...
"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"
"So much Power in such a small mind ...
we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together ...
Now I will have to do it alone"
whistling
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Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
clearly confirms,
it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS
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1. Omniverse
2. TOAA
1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"
2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"
Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse. 🙂
If you admit that TOAA created DC every other company plus the "Real World" (us)
I'll concede.
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yawn ... this thread, while entertaining in its attempt, has been shut down.
The LT scans speaks for that the scan posted by Galan is a reference to the Omniverse as well.
I bet you Master and You GS would like to know why I have choosen to stay out of this thread, while I was very active in the previous debate in Masters thread, the reason is Simple I had a Feeling this was between the two of you...
Originally posted by Utrigita
Then you doesn't know you materiel correctly, the omniverse contains everything, oure world included.Which is taken from a handbook from 2005, Masters has posted one from 2008 which in no manner mention that marvel should share there omniverse.
So that means that every crossover is canon GS, it surely must mean that, ore is it only when it is illustrated in the Handbooks, because in that case Galans analyse is from my point of view a 100% correct.
Have you shown a official up to date statement where Marvel directly stats that they share a omniverse with DC???
Along with the writers comments coupled with handbooks basically he has been doing the same as you, showing that Marvel has a omniverse when they wishes it.
And none of the thing you have posted is influence by your own openion???
I will gladly repeat myself in case you misunderstood, the scan posted by Galan can either be used to support that Marvel has a omniverse of there own, ore that they share one.
It certainly doesn't point one way, though I would say that it points most towards Marvel having there own since it is printed in a Marvel Comic which involved a threat to the Omniverse, actually I think MJJ's bio would be a pefect example in the first one concerning MJJ the Omniverse isn't mentioned only Multiverse, but in the 2008 it is omniverse instead, something would suggest that marvel has changed there views, ore have choosed to redefine there multiverse/megaverse into a omniverse within a omniverse...
but what the hell http://www.marvel.com/universe/Glossary😮#Omniverse
Someone would have thrown it in sooner ore later...
It doesnt mean that every crossover is canon, because not all crossovers are accepted as continuity. Whatever is accepted and integrated into continuity is canon. The JLA/Avengers crossover is one of the rare crossovers that was.
Ommission doesnt equate to rectification.
My scan was from the handbook on Alternate Dimensions. It was a book devoted to the matter therefore it is common sense that its entries on the matter are going to be more detailed.
Mr Master has shown scans from LT's bio and an Exiles bio. There references to the different dimension types are therefore quite understandably less thorough. They don't mention what mine did.
That doesnt change the situation in the slightest. What would change it is if one of those entrys stated that Marvel had its own omniverse in dependent of any other comic companies. 😬
When i was referring to conclusive evdence not open to interpretation i was referring about what i posted, so why you have gone on about Galans scan i really don't know.
Either way, Galans scan supports what i posted. Unless you are going to argue that the real world is a Marvel reality then that statement Galan posted shows that the omniverse that Marvel refers to contains NOT JUST Marvel Comics' collection of realities, but others as well.
Mr Masters post was handled days ago.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ohhhh so this is what you've been cooking up in your days of absence.Allow me to respond:
I'm sorry but how exactly have you proved wrong the canon fact that states that Marvel and DC exist within the same omniverse? 😕
You've posted scans of Marvel characters calling themselves protectors of the omniverse, does that prove that DC and Marvel aren't in the same omniverse? ❌
Just means that Marvel has characters who share the same roles as some DC chatacters do.
Quasar according to Eon is the protector of the universe, Captain Marvel according to the Kree is protector, Captain Universe as appointed by the Enigma Force is protector of the universe. The same role is appointed by different parties.
As for your other Exiles point, i said that Marvel is a multiverse within an omniverse just like DC,(a megaverse if you include the likes of New Universe and other such loosely connected realities), Marvel can say whatever it likes about the omniverse because their comics feature their section of the omniverse from a Marvel perspective, however what Marvel cannot do is feature the properties of DC via name or artistic depiction being affected by what changes Marvel has decided to apply to the omniverse in a Marvel comic. That would be a breach of copyright.
The only time Marvel or DC can feature each others properties is with permission from the other and that results in crossovers, a number of which have been stated to be canon.
Roma can say she has numbered every reality in omniverse, does that mean that Marvel and DC arent in the same omniverse? ❌
Its her preogative to do that because of the role she has from a Marvel perspective, however what she may call Earth 16781, a DC resident might simply call Earth S.
The main Marvel multiverse is the name given to describe all of the marvel realities that share the traditional hierarchy of the abstracts. [B]Some
writers consider each of these realities to be a multiverse unto themselves, why? Because look at Eternity 616 for example, associated with him you have other dimensions such as Asgard, Mephistos realm, the Negative Zone, hyperspace where the Celestials come from snd others. All of those alternate dimensions associated with Eternity 616. However other Eternitys have their same versions of Asgard, Negative Zone etc associated with them however they are still generally deemed universes and all of them together are deemed the Marvel multiverse.That is why you will get the occassional writer referring to "the multiverses" such as featured in about two of your scans, yet despite that all of those realms are deemed The Marvel multiverse.
An omniverse as stated by Marvel is the name given for ALL realities literally. The Marvel multiverse despite debatably being composed of many pseudo multiverses itself is not an omniverse. By canon the DC multiverse exists within the same creation as Marvel, yet the two companies properties are separate however as i posted earlier occassionally their is a "bleeding over" of the two companies that results in canon crossovers.
Therefore despite the vastness of Marvels collection of realities it is not an omniverse unto itself because Dc exists within the same creation and DC and Marvels collections of realities are quite separate. [/B]
Ommission doesnt equate to a change of thought.
My bio was a book on dimensions, yours was a small part of a character/team bio. Therefore its common sense that mine would be more in depth on the matter.
If your bio contained a statement stating that Marvel had its own omniverse independent to any other companies, then you'd have justification for highlighting the fact that your bios are a year or two more recent than mine.
As it stands, the point is irrelevant. 🙂
Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
ALSO ... clearly confirms,
There you have the Omniverse definition and TOAA's.
Also notice the "New Universe" is just another Alternate Earth,
interesting when we know it's located withIN ANOTHER Multiverse.
(that's the one Quasar visited)
New Universe
"Alternate Earth (Earth-148611)
on which most superhumans abilities were granted by the STAR BRAND"
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Here's Quasar in ANOTHER Marvel Multiverse OUTISDE the Prime Multiverse.
Quasar interacting with D.L.P. (hero team) OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse in the NEW UNIVERSE:
"in 1986 ... folks began developing paranormal abilities ... it was called STAR BRAND"
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Do not be fooled by intransigence yall,
Quasar WAS OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse ...
in ANOTHER Multiverse that houses the New Universe (an Alternate Marvel Earth)
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(PROOF) ... 100% Canon ... in the Winter 2007 Official Marvel Handbooks:
The Watcher and Her,
are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse
into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.
"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"
"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"
"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of MultiverseS"
Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.
But let's proceed.
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"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"
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Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse
"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse"
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In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL:
"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"
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"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"
Hmm ... where one of the MANY Marvel "Alternate Earths" (New Universe) are found.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It doesnt mean that every crossover is canon, because not all crossovers are accepted as continuity. Whatever is accepted and integrated into continuity is canon. The JLA/Avengers crossover is one of the rare crossovers that was.Ommission doesnt equate to rectification.
My scan was from the handbook on Alternate Dimensions. It was a book devoted to the matter therefore it is common sense that its entries on the matter are going to be more detailed.
Mr Master has shown scans from LT's bio and an Exiles bio. There references to the different dimension types are therefore quite understandably less thorough. They don't mention what mine did.
That doesnt change the situation in the slightest. What would change it is if one of those entrys stated that Marvel had its own omniverse in dependent of any other comic companies. 😬
When i was referring to conclusive evdence not open to interpretation i was referring about what i posted, so why you have gone on about Galans scan i really don't know.
Either way, Galans scan supports what i posted. Unless you are going to argue that the real world is a Marvel reality then that statement Galan posted shows that the omniverse that Marvel refers to contains NOT JUST Marvel Comics' collection of realities, but others as well.
So it depends on the situation ergo sometimes they share the same omniverse.
couldn't care less.
In short it is not as good as what Master have showed...
Not only that also scans from Handbooks which clearly states that the TOAA is the supreme ruler of the Omniverse forgot that's right TOAA and the Presence are the same even though there is absolutely nothing to support that.
Such a statement have already been posted by Galan since the only company that has multiply multiverses inside of it is Marvel.
So your material is closed for analyse while other posters is open freely to analyse...
Galan scan is not supporting what you are posting unless you seriously believe that Superman saved Marvel and oure universe, and that the CN can destroy oure world.
and btw me that says that Marvel is inside a Omniverse which it shares with everything els it is you remember. And I have already posted a link from marvel apparently they can be used and it clearly states that a Omniverse is a collection of everything oure own world included now if you begin the omniverse theory then you have to accept all of it pal it isn't a pick and choose either you accept all of it ore none of it, ore you remember that a comic can define there "reality" in anty way they want.
And you still haven't hasn't answeared this question.
Have you shown a official up to date statement where Marvel directly stats that they share a omniverse with DC???
what the hell it is between the two of you forget it...
