Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Earlier you responded to one of my challenges in this thread, albeit to Stilt, not yourself. I'll repay the courtesy, partly OUT of courtesy, also because it will help illustrate a point. Exhibit A will be one Elizabeth Braddock, a.k.a. Psylocke. To which you can presumably respond "Psylocke is explicitly superhuman!"
But the answer is, of course, that, during the time of this comic, Psylocke's abilities did not enhance her physical strength beyond relatively normal fit human levels. And she's not using them on her mech-opponent anyway, as the dialogue makes fairly clear:
Ok, so first you post Psylocke knocking off a robots head. Only she's not really knocking it off, she's merely nearly doing so. As you can see in the scan, the head may have been separated from the torso, but the robots "spine" is intact, whereas Wolverine's kick hit so hard that the spine broke off at the bottom of the neck, and the head was sent flying. Not a feat of the same difficulty. And to make matters worse for you, Psylocke even points out that the robots are unusually easy to destroy, unlike a cyborg ninja, who would be harder to damage than a normal human.
The second showing here is from some random, human-as-far-as-I-know girl who calls herself The Dragonfly. She's here shattering what looks like solid stone. Psylocke not using her mental abilities to strike the head off a mecha is the more proper answer to your challenge; this one I'm showing mainly because of the point made in the dialogue. Note Madame Qwa reprimanding Dragonfly for being sloppy in her strikes and having labored breathing.
The point Madame Qwa is obviously trying to make is that, done right, martial arts make striking and destroying EASIER from a physical strength standpoint, not harder. The scan that follows is just to demonstrate that Dragonfly is human. A zap from Electro puts her right to sleep. The third scan is just so people can I.D. Where the showing is from.
No, kicking rocks is not nearly as impressive Wolverine's feat either. And of course martial arts makes it easier to do more damage, so does picking up momentum from flying. Either way, the damage is dealt, so for the purposes of this thread, what matters is how much damage is inflicted, not how that damage is achieved. And even then, barring a character with regular superhuman feats like Karate Kid, your're not going to be able to show me another martial artist capable of replicating Wolverine's kicking feat, so it's all academic. Sorry, you're 0 for 3 so far.
I found out where that Wolverine feat I was trying to describe yesterday was.
You know that pool-punching incident?
It's apparently from a graphic novel titled "Bloody Choices".
The Wolverine-looking villain's name is "Shiv". His boss is someone named "Bullfinch". Stumbling across a poorer quality version of the 2nd of the following images after Googling everything I could think of yielded that.
Yeah, I know about Shiv. It's a great feat too, but since you'd already tossed it in the outlier category, I didn't feel the need to elaborate on it. You mostly remembered it right, anyway.
1. I don't think you know what "aplomb" means.
I think we all know what your attempted downplaying of Gorgon means, though. Fact is, Wolverine took an incredible amount of damage, way more than Spider-Man would be dishing out, and managed to stay conscious.
2. You'll need to prove the "no adamantium" skeleton part. He shouldn't have his claws if what you saying is true. You DO potentially bring up the point of how retcons and power development over the years should be addressed, however. I'VE never known a time when Wolverine didn't have a healing factor, but there's a chance truly devout Wolverine fans might.
When Wolverine was first created, there was no mention of his adamantium skeleton. In fact, it took four years for him to mention that his bones were unbreakable (Uncanny X-Men 116), and almost another year after that to specify that it was because they were adamantium (Uncanny X-Men 126). UXM 116 was also the first mention of his accelerated healing, while it officially became his power three years later in issue 142.
3. The "Healed from a bare skeleton" part was from his fight with the villain, Nitro.
Which took place immediately before his fight with the Atlantean Royal Guards, which was interrupted by Namor. There was no chance for his healing factor to recharge, so you have to take all of that damage into consideration.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, I thought in Wolverine's first appearance/fight he specifically commented on being "bad to the adamantium laced bone"? Or am I remembering another fight?
Nope, never used that line back then. I'm not sure where it's from, but it sounds like Larry Hama's Wolverine to me.
