Battlezone! Philosophia/Thor vs. Damborgson/Hal Jordan
-Classic Thor will be repped by Phil. Hal Jordan will be repped by Dambo.
-3 posts each [first and last to be PMd to Galan].
-Match to conclude next Saturday [roughly].
-Opponents start 0.5 km from each other in a cell games ring:
Ragnarok has come and, in the dying embers of Thor's reputation, tarnished by so many years of beatings and shortcomings, echoing from darkness, the John Williams theme is heard.
And thus, a new cycle begins.
Is the thunder God worthy?
Chapter I. Hammer and nail
In the end, what better way than to face his complete opposite, the one whose reputation has seen the biggest rise - Hal Jordan, the greatest Green Lantern of them all.
I mean, an energy wielding character against Mjolnir should be a proper..........wait, what?
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You're probably wondering..."
Judges, in advance, thank you for your effort. And it will be an effort, because throughout this match you will hear plenty of things. You will hear stories of krona busters, universal will, of different kind of constructs, of defenses, of grand feats.
But... this discussion isn't about 'who has done the most impressive stuff'. No, this discussion is simply about how their individual abilities match-up. And...
Contrary to popular belief, a Green Lantern's main weakness is not the color yellow.
It's Mjolnir.
Everything a Green Lantern does is by using energy
Their constructs, their energy projection, their shields - all of it, raw energy from the emotional electromagnetic spectrum:
You might see where this is going, so I'll jump right in..
The fight
With that said..
1). The very moment we are transported to the battlefield, I instantly race towards Hal [he's right in front of me, but if tracking scans are needed, they will be posted], hammer in hand.
Travelling by Mjolnir is fast: https://i.imgur.com/zPC7boN.jpg [obviously there's no need to go that fast, but the point is I'd be on him instantly]
2). Simultaneously, I omni-directionally absorb energy. [https://i.imgur.com/MwK13Ux.jpg]
So in that split-second, if he tries to conjure anything [energy, constructs, environmental manipulation etc] I absorb it.
The range in which I can do that is planetary [and we start 0.5km apart]: https://i.imgur.com/b9ipMZW.jpg
3). As I close down on him and absorb his defense and offense...
Like here, where he absorbed energy from Null Bomb [and then redirected it to reignite a sun]: (please log in to view the image)
....and at his ring-hand. And legs. And ribs. Why? Because I want to break him. https://imgur.com/a/jMVTpja https://imgur.com/a/2a4rTLM
It's not a coincidence that I posted a scan of somebody breaking his hand as he was draining him, too.
Now, at this point he is dead. I'm pretty sure the first head-strike on a defense-absorbed human would turn him into pudding - all-out Mjolnir strikes - not a good afternoon. But I go on.
Welcome everyone, I’m gonna make this short and sweet, I’m not used to fighting character of the sheer caliber of the Mighty God of Thunder, so I’ll make my withdrawal as dignified as possible. Thanks for the match Philo, that’s a great pick you got there….
….is what I wish I could say. Sadly, after Endgame I feel it is my solemn duty to put the great Lord Thor our of his misery. So with a heavy heart, and a green ring on my skin tight spandex….let’s begin.
I’m gonna start the match by concentrating my willpower into protective shielding.
My base aura, the one that shields my body on a general basis is very strong already. It lets me take shots from Black Lantern Superman with minimal effect: https://i.imgur.com/eOvZzSv.jpg
but the scope of Hal’s shielding is insane:
https://i.imgur.com/bOercsh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sYaT7W0.jpg
Nigh instantaneously, running on low charge, he threw up a planet sized shield that held off 250,000 Kryptonian troops, troops from Rao who exposed them to sunlight.
I’m going to take that defensive power, and condense it into a ball around me, ontop of my already impressive autoshields.
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That was an instantaneous reaction to block MMH’s Martian vision by the way.
This is important because of what I’m sure is about to come my way.
Mjolnir is a fine weapon, comparable to Hal’s ring in the right hands. But my protection is indisputably better, and an outer attack is doomed to fail, to take time at the very least. Time is something you don’t have much of here. If you need to be found on the planet you will be found: https://i.imgur.com/Kbl42O0.jpg
All I have to do is ask the ring.
I’ll get buffeted by storms and lightning, but super condensed shields should be able to hold off the worst. The real danger is Mjolnir itself. BUT for you to take advantage of it fully, you have to throw it.
So let’s talk about the two most possible scenerios.
1. Mjolnir gets thrown.
- If at any point Mjolnir leaves your hand, you can consider the fight to now be essentially over. Because the moment it leaves your hand, Thor is getting caught in this:
And just like Amazo’s legs, Thor’s arms are coming off.
As will your throat, legs, stomach, and everywhere else you were bound.
Hal has some devastating piercing constructs, and it can happen in an instant: (please log in to view the image)
Or on much higher end portrayals like where Hal Jordan sliced apart restraints made from the power of the emotional spectrum entities, used by Krona no less:
So Thor will be cut, indisputably, and be bleeding profusely if not utterly mutilated. Realistically, he will no longer be able to properly wield Mjolnir, as his hands will be missing.
And if there’s some debate to be had here as to whether Thor can be caught I’ll put that to rest right here:
As Hal can literally catch Zoom by the feet. Suffice to say Thor will also be caught, considering Zoom was blitzing the League’s big three in those scans, Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, all of whom are exceptionally fast….some more than others, in Batman’s case.
Scenario 2: The hammer doesn’t leave Thor’s hand:
If you try to hang onto Mjolnir, I’ll take a different approach.
Mjolnir is an incredible weapon, it can absorb all forms of energy. But it doesn’t protect you from all angles. A big enough blast in scope, will prove to get past defenses without too much trouble:
That was Zod with the power of two suns enhancing him, getting knocked out cold. Thor will without a doubt get at the very least shaken to the core, at the worst, maybe killed.
And even if you do start absorbing, there’s little chance that you’ll drain me before my tactics go off, since a very similar tactic was used against parasite and Hal Jordan was able to still get his attacks off:
Which will quite literally crush it into nothingness, killing Thor instantly.
I could also assess every weakpoint your body has in mere moments, and then send skewers through them all at the same time.
My ring can also analyze the weakness in any structure of course, so your defenses, as well as those of Mjolnir’s, will be hit in the worst possible areas:
And Hal can fly so fast that he nearly enters the speed force and can outrace Omega Beams, as that's how fast Lightray was moving and Hal Jordan CAUGHT UP TO HIM.
So as fast as Thor is, he's still a ways behind there.
Next...let's talk about that energy drain.
I suspected it was coming. And you fully committed to it. But as I posted earlier:
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You will be attacked by all sides, and while Mjolnir could probably get a lot of it, as soon as you're hit, you're going to get rocked:
Mjolnir for all its shielding capability is still not always capable of covering blasts that engulf the entire body:
So while Mjolnir is indeed an energy sponge...all it's going to take is one hard shot to the back, and Thor will be sent reeling, interrupting the absorption process.
And when you're literally getting attacked 360 degrees:
That scan you posted of Thor protecting against the Phoenix is good, but Thor still took tremendous damage, he wasn't properly shielded, nor was he able to absorb all of it:
Halfway through Damborg's post, I was unsure whether he momentarily forgot that he was repping Hal and not Thor.
To start..
*Thor/Glory*
So his position is that Mjolnir 'couldn't redirect all of Glory's blast into his hammer'. This is not only false - but literally the page he posted proves his point as false.
But let's start from the beginning, because this is actually a ridiculous feat for Thor [as I said...I'm baffled here]. I will posted the full sequence and with relevant information about Glory.
1. What is Glory? It's an abstract entity that contains the power of an entire patheon of Gods - ten thousand of them to be precise: https://i.imgur.com/Iok1gzm.jpg
...and now, we get to the sequence that he, inexplicably, tried to use as an argument.
4). Damborg cut off the previous scan, in order for you not to see the situation Thor was in when he was blasted. Glory restrains Thor in its palm just as he's escaping its body, and blasts him with "a torrent of COSMIC FIRE that contained the totality of its power" [again, we're dealing with an abstract entity here]. Mid-blast, weakened Thor, "his entire body trembling from the effort, raised Mjolnir high - absorbing Glory's fire into his hammer" and one shots the cosmic being with its own power in a blast that "tore through REALITY ITSELF".
In short -
- weakened and hurt Thor only used his hammer to absorb the attack after he had already been blasted by it as he was restrained in Glory's palm [even the single scan he posted specifically says this]..
- Not only he absorbed the totality of the power of the abstract entity..
- He redirected it back and one-shot it
This is a crazy feat of energy absorbtion and redirection by Thor - hell, I was about to use this just in case the 'Godblast' was used.
All of this, after I already showed that Thor can omni-directionally absorb energy: https://imgur.com/MwK13Ux
And the countless other examples of Mjolnir forcefully drawing the energy in. Null-Bomb, Kang, Presence, etc.
He then goes on to bring up shields. And constructs. Again - as I made clear - all of this is just energy. I will absorb his constructs, his shields, his power, his everything. The durability of the shields is irrelevant - as Magneto [] found out on short notice: https://i.imgur.com/41FR8Zs.jpg
Bonus random point that was misunderstood:
- unless Hal is running away from the fight in the opposite direction, it doesn't matter who can fly faster, the point was that I can cover the distance between us instantly
His plan is 'shield myself, become Leatherface and chainsaw him to death'. I can feel Bran laughing uncontrollably somewhere.
I don't want you to get bored judges, so at this point, in order to keep the talk going, I'm going to move on to the next chapter...
Chapter III - Let's nerf Thor
Energy absorbtion is a cop-out. He can't blast me without getting it turned on him, he can't make constructs that I won't absorb, he can't make defenses I can't absorb, his power source itself is absorbed etc.
It makes the rest of the discussion redundant.
I win.
But that makes for a short discussion. So I'll leave it aside for a few moments, in order to address some of his other arguments, and just pretend that's not what I'm doing, for discussion's sake.
As I said, throughout this talk, I found damborg to be using weird and faulty arguments, both against my character [see: Glory] and his. He shows Black Lantern Superman grabbing him by the neck as a random durability feat [?!] when we have 'normal' holding back Superman one-shotting him into a concussion with a single strike [see my first post].
He uses an army of kryptonians, being held back by his shield, but fails to mention that they literally just got their powers at that very moment: https://i.imgur.com/fVmSugP.jpg
Aquaman [lol] and Flash were treating them as hand-ninjas, even as they were getting stronger than what they were initially: https://i.imgur.com/soZhuU6.jpg
Out of all the examples in the world, he used Hal using a chainsaw to cut a restrained Amazo Red Tornado morphing in Amazo while - literally in the same panel - Batman is using his utility belt laser to do the same thing. I guess Batman would cut Thor's hand off
But it won't even get there - constructs don't get the opportunity to hurt me. As I made clear in the first post, I can shatter them with my hammer, with energy projection, I can make forcefields or I can even make an indestructible mystical vortex: https://imgur.com/XKBvYDl
Or like this: https://i.imgur.com/hQuwiFO.jpg
First of, let me just say - I appreciate Damborg taking the match against his favorite character. It certainly exercises the argumentative muscle to go against what you believe in.
By the same token - I have Hal Jordan, outside of this match, taking the fight. Maybe we'll even do the reverse some day.
The truth is that you have to know Hal inside out and be very careful with your strategy. Thor is an extremely bad match-up for him - so it's not enough to simply show how powerful Hal is [and he is].
But within what was argued here? I don't know if it was Damborg's heart not being into this fight - or whether it was too on short notice - but Thor, imo, won this comfortably.
Energy absorbtion
The energy absorbtion part of the debate was barely - if at all - contested. Weirdly enough, the arguments he brought up ended up actually being some of my strongest points.
I had many other scans to bring to the table, but they were not needed. For example, here's Hal and Sinestro having their constructs absorbed and being drained to zero by device Atrocitus built:
If he actually mentions the Krona Blast - see Glory. Turned back on him and one-shotted.
Or I could just make a portal and send the blast to the outskirts of existence, as he has done with Phoenix's power: https://i.imgur.com/cg6Xcqm.jpg
I didn't even have to bring up Thor's greatest absorbtion feat - namely, the GodBomb.
For those unfamiliar, what is the Godbomb? It's an omni-temporal death bomb built to kill all gods in existence across time.
In order to save everybody, Thor uses two Mjolnirs [what's half of a bomb killing every god in existence? Yeah..] and omni-directionally absorbs the bomb after detonation:
There's plenty other scans here, but the point is so clear -- and was for a while now, that it feels like I'm just yelling 1+1 = 2 over and over again.
Other
Ignoring the energy absorbtion entirely, I had other scans of Hal's constructs being broken by Thor analogues - and even though I said Orion is a good proxy - the very closest one would be Wonder Woman. How does she treat shields/constructs?
I could also post countless scans here - but Orion/Wonder Woman [and to a lesser extent [] Superman in the first post] gives you a pretty clear picture of the constructs/shield handling of the blunt force Thor would bring. I don't even need the energy absorbtion - his shields, 'chainsaw' or 'plane' constructs would be shattered by raw blunt force/energy projection. Besides omni-directional energy absorbtion - I can also spin in indestructible vortexes [see previous post], make shields that can bathe in Phoenix power etc. There's plenty of options even when we take out the obvious winning hand here.
Scans have been posted of Hal's wrist being broken as he was drained by a manhunter in the first post, of him being concussed by a single holding back Superman punch - as well as his nervous system being short circuited. Just because I had it at hand - here is Zod breaking his wrist by squeezing and one-shotting him: https://i.imgur.com/Vk1EESe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EcdgItf.jpg
I brought up other factors - energy projection, concussions, broken bones, etc.
Why? It's because my opponent - Hal - and Green Lanterns by definition are very dependent on their mind and focus. https://i.imgur.com/boPeoZN.png
In summary:
- I make his defense/offsense redundant as I absorb all energy all around me - his constructs, his blasts, his shields, his power itself which I can redirect back at him at will 100 fold
- .. as I simultaneously bullrush him at the start [see Galactus]
- .. and I spam him continuously with blunt force [see:Gorr], lightning [see: CK, IW], cosmic hurricanes [see:Glory] etc. breaking every single part of him.
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Now.....
Excuse me, but...
I have to take a shower, to remove this Asgardian smell.
Thank you to Phil and everyone who decided to read the BZ. I had a lot of fun, great character I'm repping.
Now let's finish off my sweet prince of Asgard.
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To all reading...I seriously hope we're not going to underestimate Hal Jordan as hard as my opponent is underestimating him.
The Purpose of the Scans
1. The Glory scan served my purpose.
- True, it's a great absorption feat. BUT it's a feat that shows that a large enough quantity of energy, such as one where he's covered from all angles, can still affect Thor DESPITE his absorbing of it. In other words...it's got past in the instant suckity suck which Phil is attempting to perform on me.
2. The Parasite scan shows, that even on the character that is literally a walking absoption machine, Hal Jordan was able to land blows.
And no, Parasite wasn't surprised by anything other than getting massively assaulted. Hal literally talked to it before he attacked:
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3. Thor is unearthly strong at energy surviving energy blasts. But while the green lantern constructs are made of energy, the airplanes that I'm striking Thor with are blunt objects. And that is NOT a field where Thor is that resistant in.
and when it's proven that despite being an energy absorbing machine like Parasite, my attacks from 360 degrees can at the very least affect him...
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So let's be honest with ourselves...
Who here, is going to HONESTLY tell me...that Thor can absorb every single shot, from Hal's 360 degree attack and drain Hal Jordan so completely, that he cannot retaliate with anything at all. Then tell me that even if he does drain some, that Thor can handle taking shots that incapacitate Zod and STILL keep draining?
Thor already struggles to drain when the energy is sufficient:
So he's a tough son of a *****, and he still got put to sleep by this technique.
So Thor is going to wade through every single attack, unimpeded, absorb all of them, even though Thor had never absorbed solid light constructs catch me, an opponent who is far faster, and beat me half to death while all things Hal does are ineffective? *****. Please.
All Hal needs is one shot, and Thor will be sent reeling. One shot, that's all. He might not be out, but Thor can't absorb very well when he's getting hammered by Kryptonian destroying attacks.
It would then leave him vulnerable to my other techniques mentioned which would be already activated at incredibly fast rates.
Contrary to what Phil said, speed does indeed matter, and Hal Jordan has proven to be able to catch the fastest of them, even while they're speeding around:
Even after his ring recharge attempt fails, leaving him at less than 5% by the start of the fight, Hal jordan attacks to precisely that he manages to knock Parallax Kyle Rayner off of him. And Thor will be facing an entire sky filled with much stronger constructs.
Speaking of constructs...I already posted Hal Jordan's feat of being able to create planetary level protective fields that hold off an army of Kryptonians.
But what feat fest would be complete without...the Krona feat.
It's imporant to anaylyze. Usually, we get this page posted:
Which is really pretty but doesn't actually tell the readers anything.
Hal's will overrided the programming of the rings, to kill a guardian (Krona) and a guardian who was essentially in control of the entire emotional spectrum, notice the raping of Ganthet:
But more impressive than the energy projection is the power of will displayed by Hal. Hal does not have limits. If he can will it, it will happen. And I will myself to win.
Hal put it best before he beat back Parallax infused Ganthet.
My opponent is suggesting that Hal will be drained effortlessly, despite being a pro at fighting with low energy ring power, beaten into submission easily, and then played with/killed before ANY of my constructs can affect him, despite having shown vulnerability to area of effect attacks.
What will happen is Thor will get hit HARD and tossed around trying to respond to a faster opponent with one shot mechanics, who can cut, asphyxiate and brutalize him at all faster than the speed of thought
RIP, God of Thunder.
Thanks for everything again ! I hope this isn't the last BZ.
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