1. It would depend how recently Galactus has been fed. He's all over the place power wise. Is this really weak Galactus where Thor and Iron Man were able to handle him? Or is this Eternity level Galactus?
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2. It would depend how much power Cytorakk is giving Juggernaut. Is this 100% Juggernaut where his very punch broke through Dimensional barriers?
3. Besides, in the words of Galactus, "Galactus does not engage in fisticuffs."
No, they were stalemating!
Shot for shot. In-Betweener thought he had the edge because he was slowly bringing Galactus into the black hole, in which IB later got thrown into. It was a stalemate, plain and simple.
Surfer? I also said "Galactus's herald", as in one.
I would like to takes this time to point out that Galactus really does suck. I would also like to take this time to point out that Cyttorak has once already imprisoned Galactus, meaning that Cyttorak at least rivals Galactus in power. When giving Cain the power he did while he was Trion than I see this as a stalemate.
Also, it was never established in the comic that Trion was 100% of Cyttoraks power; just food for thought.
No, actually he just trapped him in his realm. Galactus had to resort to make an escape.
It's been established that the power of the bands fluctuates with how focused the wielder is. Meaning that Cyttorak himself has the power to withhold Galactus outside of his realm.
Actually no, Cyttorak himself sent Cain to go destroy the Trion, thats why he was tearing down the dimensional walls.
However he can become as such if need be, especially after it's been established that Cyttorak is constantly in Cain's consciousness ordering him what and what not to do.
IB had brought Galactus into the center of both realms, where he was stronger then Galactus. Then some Heralds oushed him through so he wouldn't beat galactus.
Good, does this mean that he has more power than Galactus?
Cy's showings usually have him holding someone. The bands are there for a reason, however, he has shown nothing power wise, for me to think he is on Galactus's power level.
I thought it was the Trions that took control of him...
No, he can't. He can't just turn into him, he would have done that a long time ago, and he didn't even want to be Trion.
Also current Juggernaut is weak. Juggernaut was fighting Cy's control, ordering my ass. That is why he is depowered now.
No, but it tells me that a full powered or even trion Juggernaut won't be utterly destroyed in this battle.
He's shown nothing power wise? just having his avatar easily destroying dimensional walls is a good enough display of power for me.
Even so, Cyttoraks bands have shown capable of withholding Galactus. It's also been established that Cyttorak is powerful enough to imprison Galactus.
No, but when it's safe to say that Cyttorak can and has given Juggernaut power.
So what, Cyttorak decided he should be and he was. Cyttorak is the dominant persona in Cains mind.
Have you had the chance to reed the two most recent Excalibur's? it's been established that Cyttorak is one of the major reasons for Cain being evil. Hes constantly in his mind giving him opinions and the like.
No, never said it would. Where are you getting this from anyway?
When was Trion intorduced into this thread?
Still saying that, that was the Trions who did it.
His bands were also shown incapable of holding Namor. Cy doesn't just go, oh Namor, I won't give my power to this one. Hell, he didn't even know who was using the bands when he met Strange. This shows that he doesn't just give power.
I'll read the comic, and get back to you.
Wait, where in that comic, did it state that Cy was behind Trion Juggs?
Ya, and if he was, then why doesn't he just turn him into Trion all the time?
Yes, I have, and Juggernaut was also able to fight the suggestions, that is why he was depowered.
Cy only gives suggestions and the like, he doesn't completely control him.
This is also irrelevent, since when has Cy been able to interfere with this thread? Sure he might have supplyed him the power, but this is just like saying that Galactus gives Surfer more power in one of the Surfer threads.
Why would the Trion send Cain to destroy the Trion?
I've already stated that the bands power fluctuate with the wielder focus. If the user isn't focused than it should be easy for him or anyone to break free of the bands.
what sense would it make for the Trion to send the Juggernaut to kill the Trion.
Why didn't Cain kill Spider Man? why didn't Cain kill any of the X men? It's called entertainment.
According to some Juggernaut was possessed during 8th day, so...
When he became a part of Cain's mind. When Surfer is flayed to his skeleton and is instantly restored by the power of his master let me know.
Souja just hates Galactus as a concept, he doesnt like to think there are giant powerful people who eat planets and have incredible powers. I admit is as silly as hell, but give Galactus a break, despite the stupid dress he is a powerhouse.
galactus should win this easy. dont bring up the onslaught thing, that was bad bad writing. onslaught pulled the gem outof juggernaut. the gem had never been there in the first place, and onslaught pulled it out with two fingers, juggernaut has taken thors godforce and actually stood there, he even tried walking against it but the ground caved. so unless onslaughts thumb and forefinger and a great deal stronger than thors godforce its a pretty stupid idea.
juggernaut also had his mind read by psylocke while wearing his helmet. that goes against pretty much every comic the juggernaut has been in. they cant stop him so they have to remove the helmet to attack his mind. the helmut protects it. stupid stupid saga.
anyway, galactus enhances his strength to levels cytorak cant increase juggernauts. or he throws him into space. galactus can fly. it would be a cool fight to see, galactus would have a look of distain on his face the whole way through.
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Dec 14th, 2006 01:45 AM
. I would also like to take this time to point out that Cyttorak has once already imprisoned Galactus, meaning that Cyttorak at least rivals Galactus in power. When giving Cain the power he did while he was Trion than I see this as a stalemate. 
