__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Ok, I flipped through this match a couple of times, and maybe I got up in the unbeliever side of the bed this morning but I had a hard time to buy many things that were proposed in this match. However, I'll be concise when voting simply because there is not much to highlight that hasn't been somewhat addressed before. Here my short-reasoning:
The simplest prep proved to be the best this time, KM and Blaze did good in dividing shores between characters, but it still came out kind of heavy from Loki's side, also they got messy while misinterpreting some feats and Leo did the right argument saying Loki would be tired. Now, K and K DID backed Loki's stamina with scans (good job guys) but to make worthy shields, worthy invisibility, worthy boosts and a worthy wood giants in just five minutes, Loki WILL be tired. A mirror situation came on when the battle starts and team L/G tried to make up for their team lack of flexibility: Nate is detecting ambient energies, seeing through illusions, contracting against Comet's telepathy, guiding Warrior Madness Thor (who has to be guided if you want him to pull the fancy tricks you wrote in your opening post) and holding shields and armor for himself. Speed help to do this multitasking, but I find it naive to think he would do it all without any trouble. WM Thor is a gamble because suddenly the magnetic wood giant becomes a big factor. If WM Thor throws his hammer and I believe team K and K, no spell would be dissipated and suddenly all your battle plan depends on Nate: That was the gamble, you make Thor enter WM and suddenly Nate has to do everything, which seemed to be your plan. Nate won't beat three heralds by himself (if Nate falls intangible Loki may as well solo the team).
Shush is illegal. TK freezing is not because movement can oppose that tactic. Shaman needs to throw things from his pouch so the whole discussion about getting things out of the tk shield seems valid, Loki doesn't, but Shaman can be considered handicapped for the time being. About the Flash momentum thing, maybe Walter can scape it, but the others won't. Actually, an uber fast WM Thor may as well be crappy using his speed.
Now, into the ratings:
Originality
Kris Blaze/KM: 2/5
Leo/Galan: 1/5
Other than having a giant-wood magnetic fighter in one side of the field both plans were rather basic. Empower, mesh, boost somehow, mindlink/experience share. One plan was totally over the top and complicated and the other as basic as they come.
Effectiveness
KB/KM: 1/5
Leo/Galan: 1/5
Nor one nor the other seemed rather effective. WM Thor antics and depending on speed and Nate may have sounded like a good plan, but magnetic wood and characters that get empowered by magic aren't the right enemies to use such tactic. The throwing bauble and the giant weren't particularly tailor made for the battle either, the whole force field deal was iffy. All in all, the plan stumbled on one another.
Debating
KB/KM: 5/10
Leo/Galan: 7/10
Leo and Galan showed their experience countering points, discarding scans and deciding the pace of the debate. To me this was the big deciding factor. KB and KM held their ground, questioned the WM strategy, Walter super speed and Nate's overall power. But there were many missed opportunities and they overdid it with Loki, they could've easily made their plan more consistent but they didn't.
I don't know if I missed something essential. I vote Leo and Galan but it could have been different under other circumstances, so don't get overconfident because your plan was as boring as they come .
Good job to KM and KB, I was impressed by you, you just need to predict your opponents and stick to simpler plans and you're on your way to take on big names.
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i'm not one for plans so the originality thing is meh. as i said in the discussion thread--there was a time long, complex preps were the in thing, that time seems to have passed. anyway, thanks for the break down and the timely vote.
As for my judgment, Very interesting match. KM and KB had a very creative plan (for a change) but it might possibly be to their detriment given time a legality restraints. As stated by Leo and Galan, time manipulation is banned, and that puts a lot of tactics into the gray area. The temporal pouch is likely illegal because it requires retrieving a time displaced copy (displaced, as in, not from your native time). The scan of Captain Comet's slow down clearly states "And twelve time-slowed minutes later..." in the narration so it's also a legal gray area (was it a telekinetic feat or time altering as the narration alludes to?), and we also have the infamous "shush" which I really don't know what to call.
On the flipside, speed most certainly kills, and I didn't see anything that made me believe both teams would be operating on the same level speed-wise, which is truly a shame because given the lack of a speed cap and proper drafting, battles can be won or lost by slight miscalculations in prep within the opening moments of battle, which is basically what happened here. Leo and Galan would be operating at an extremely faster pace, and since the opening attack of KM/Mungi entails casting out a wind driven projectile coupled with Comet's "slow down" (which would likely slow down the spread of the dust as well), it could likely be evaded, negated or halted given said speed advantage, and it's more likely than not that Leo & Galan would be determining all future terms of combat from that point forward with their speed advantage, even with KM/KB's intangibility.
Vote: Leo & Kahn
Now for the point allotments.
Originality:
Leo/Kahn 2/5
KB/KM 4.25/5
Kris and Mungi had a very creative plan. I liked pretty much everything they did (legality be damned). If they'd had a means to even the speed gap for the entire team it could likely have given them the advantage. It's a shame the Wooden Viking didn't play a bigger role. That was dope. With the speed advantage he can pretty much be ignored by Leo/Kahn's team.
Leo and Kahn stuck with the meat and potatoes kind of tactics. Simple but sufficient.
Effectiveness:
Leo/Kahn 4/5
KB/KM 2/5
Another match which had some heated exchanges, but both teams held their own. A couple rule infractions and ambiguities didn't help. Too bad they weren't caught beforehand upon submission to Batdude/Khan so they could be fixed before the battle.
Debating Skill:
Leo/Kahn 3/5
KB/KM 3/5
Organization against experience. A very hotly contested match, but in the end Leo/Kahn had the advantage that Mungi/Kris couldn't contend with:
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that's not hard to believe at all. our originality is very low. if everything else was very close, we'd naturally lose on points. originality is pretty meaningless anyway.
Congrats to the winners, and I apologize for my role in the delay. I hadn't yet gone through the match when the Kris situation came up. And while I trust myself to be fair, the matter was contentious among a lot of people, and I didn't want to compromise the tourney with my position as a mod. As such, I stepped down as a judge. I'll be back up and judging next round though, if needed.
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