It's not vitally important, the point is that the earlier poster said "Gandalf fought all 9 with no problem", which is so much bull. The Nine together were more than anyone could handle, and the Witch-King was the central part of that.
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Im providin my quotes again to prove that Gandalf is more powerful
"Gandalf: Dangerous, And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet."
also here's another quote....
"The Dark Lord has Nine. But we have One, mightier then they are: the White Rider. He has passed through the fire and the abyss, and they shall fear him."
That was a comment made ABOUT Gandalf. It's just opinion.
As quotes from Gandalf himself in this thread earlier have shown, he himself did not think he was the Witch-King's superior come to a fight. He at least had the possibility that he might not prevail.
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But when Tolkien gives his characters lines that contradict the lines of others, then you know they are opinion, not fact. Try readng his conversation with Denethor.
You say we are stubborn- we have simply done our research. Try again.
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You have done research that BS, I just gave you proof that Gandalf was greater......
"The Dark Lord has Nine. But we have One, mightier then they are: the White Rider. He has passed through the fire and the abyss, and they shall fear him."
Except, it's not proof. I cannot remember who said that in the book, because as I've said, I haven't read it in a couple years, but it remains the opinion of a character. That does NOT make it fact.
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Chapter IV: The Siege of Gondor Pg. 800-801 (One volume edition)
'Is Faramir come?' he asked.
'No,' said Gandalf. 'But he still lived when I left him. Yet he is resolved to stay with the reargurad, lest the retreat over the Pelennor become a rout. He may, perhaps, hold his men together long enough, but I doubt it. He is pitted against a foe too great. For one has come that I feared.'
'Not - the Dark Lord?' cried Pippin, forgetting his place in his terror.
Denethor laughed bitterly. 'Nay, not yet, Master Peregrin! He will not come save only to triumph over me when all is won. He uses others as his weapons. So do all great lords, if they are wise, Master Halfling. Or why should I sit here in my tower and think, and watch, and wair, spending even my sons? For I can still wield a brand.'
He stood up and cast opened his long black cloak, and behold! he was clad in mail beneath, and grit with a long sword, great-hilted in a sheath of black and silver. 'Thus have I walked, and thus now for many years have I slept,' he said, 'lest we age the body should grow soft and timid.'
'Yet now under the Lord of Barad-dur the most fell of all his captains is already master of your outer walls' said Gandalf. 'King of Angmar long ago, Sorcerer, Ringwraith, Lord of the Nazgul, a spear of terror in the hand of Sauron, shadow of despair.'
'Then, Mithrandir, you had a foe to match you,' Said Denethor. 'For myself, I have long known who is chief captain of the hosts of the Dark Tower. Is this all that you have returned to say? Or cab it be that you have withdrawn because you are overmatched?'
Pippin trembled, fearing that Gandalf would be stung to sudden wrath, but his fear was needless. 'It might be so,' Gandalf answered softly.
Tolkein doesnt lie, he doesnt write down statements unless theyre true. If it is said then it is true, opinions do not exist in books becuz of this very reason becuz people think theyre opinions. Opinion in books equal truth.
Gandalf said himself the Witch-King is his equal or even his better and Aragon (who has no idea how strong Gandalf the White is) says he is greater then the nine.
That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. So every opinion held by a character in a book must be truth? Characters in books CAN be wrong. Opinions CAN exist in books, believe it or not. Just because an author has a character think a certain way, does NOT mean the author himself thinks that way.
Why the heck do you never do the courtesy of reading posts properly?
Even if it were so, and Tolkien liked to put truth in people's mouths, as we have pointed out, other characters in the book CONTRADICT that pov with their words.
They can't BOTH be speaking truth, can they? So obviously your idea there is wrong. And you know what- we already told you that. Several times. Aragorn says that and Gandalf passes no comment. But Denethor says the opposite- that the Gandalf cannot stand against the Witch-King- and Gandalf admits it MIGHT be true. There is no certainity, for sure, but he allows for the possibility. We tell you all this... and yet all you can do is repeat that "Aragorn said it so it must be so because Tolkien would otherwise have not said it". This is one of those 'Why do we bother?' situations.
There is a phenomenon via which people are used as vessels to convey facts- though it is normally in films, not books, as books can simply state facts in prose. But as noted, it is simply common sense to see that it is not the case here!
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Oct 11th, 2005 01:44 PM
i thought this was common sense
