I guess you have to figure that Wonder Woman can stand her own against superman....and Champion is both stronger and more skilled in the arts of fighting. You kinda have to think of him like Batman with Superman's strength...
Champion isnt 200 or 100,000 years old, i thought he was basically created immediately after the universe itself...that is a lot of fighting experience...there is no denying champion is one of the best fighters in Marvel. He CAN fly, and he is fast, he cant move around as fast as superman probably (since marvel encorporates science into their writing), but he can certainly fly just as fast if not faster. And what is heat vision to someone who wields the power cosmic? Athough he doesnt use it often, Champion can blast fools...also, in his first appearance he was using the power cosmic for matter manipulation and teleportation to such a high degree it would have made Galactus look bad. The battle with Thing is irrelavent because he didnt want to beat the Thing by out powering him. He was obviously more powerful than Thing or any other earthling. He wanted to beat the Thing in a fair boxing match...not based on power. Champion has shattered entire planets too. I think he is kinda like a suped up gladiator type character who always loses to make other people look good. And when he was beat by She-Hulk her strength was vastly increased, and i think Drax had the power gym that time he knocked him out with surfer, but im not sure. Drax would crush Superman too. Champion should beat Superman...at least on paper.
I've never seen such overestimation of Superman. Shame on you.
I could name a hundred Marvel characters that would singlehandedly hand Superman his ass. A lot of folks on this forum act like Superman can't be beat without kryptonite, magic, or energy absorption. He can, and has been, knocked out. There are plenty of characters that could take down Superman in hand to hand combat. Champion of the Universe is one of them.
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Moondragon is no longer part of the Infinity Watch. She wielded the Mind Gem as a member of Adam Warlock's Infinity Watch; however the team soon broke up, relinquishing their Infinity Gems to Adam Warlock. MM was unable to pierce Superman's mind. I severely doubt Moondragon could.
And Thor got his ass handed to him by Superman. We both know crossovers are bull.
Blackbolt could win. However Superman could just utilize his superspeed to relentlessly attack Blackbolt before he blinks. Or just tear off the fork on his head.
Quasar is pretty formidable. If Superman manages to attack first than Quasar goes down. Quasar can fly at lightspeed in space only. The Nega-Bands restrict this option on Earth.
Moondragon is far more powerful than Martian Manhunter, even without the mind gem. She can and will overcome Superman. The Infinity Watch has not disbanded. Moondragon possesses the Infinity Mind Gem to date.
There is no doubt that Hulk can beat Superman. Superman may be more likely to win, but Hulk could certainly beat him.
This is Superman. Not the Flash. Superman can move at about Mach 10. He never attacks anyone in a flurry, and I doubt he can. Why would Superman tear the fork off of BB's head? He doesn't even know it's purpose. Any use of BB's vocal chords will result in Superman's destruction. BB wins.
Quasar does not use the Nega bands. I think you're referring to Captain Marvell. Quasar uses the Quantum bands; he can and has flown at lightspeed in the earth's atmosphere. He will certainly attack Superman first.
All of them can beat Superman.
Last edited by Cosmic Cube on Mar 23rd, 2005 at 03:53 AM
Dude, I have TOHOTMU Women of Marvel 2005 in my hand right now. It includes Moondragon. She no longer possesses neither the Dragon of the Moon nor the Mindgem. The team disbanded. As of now she "resumed her travels alongside her new love interest Phyla, Genis's sister" Stop exaggerating her abilities.
Both Superman and Hulk are capable of winning.
Superman has launched several superspeed attacks. Against Zod, against Ultraman, against Doomsday, he used it relentlessy against some predator wannabe in the recent Jim Lee series. DC has finally captatlized on his superspeed. The fork GLOWS. A quick microscan would tell Superman that the fork may be something to look at.
I meant the Quantam Bands. Sorry. Too many bands in the Marvel Universe. Quasar cannot fly at lightspeed on Earth. The Quantum Bands restrict such actions. (OHBOTHMU Avengers: 2005) Space however is not a problem. Quasar doesn't zip around at lightspeed all the time. If he could then he wouldn't have gotten tagged by Kree laser in the Disassembled event.
Hulk and Quasar can beat Superman. Moondragon and Blackbolt are out of the question.
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