I told you he can only use them to teleport himself and objects thrown at him and he much touch them first. He aslo needs his Javelins to do it.
Anyway so right now he is throwing Javelins at me and I'm dodging he is tlelporting to random places where I can easily find him no problem,. I am taking with three very powerful long range Attacks and he only has two hands one of which he said is being used to do Chi Blasts yet he can teleport all of my attacks
Even still I can easily blast his Javelins and Dodge until he runs out.
The javelin's don't open portals? That's not how Blink's power works...
Oh well I reserve judgement for now until you guys have posted some more and Digi comes back. And black robb's right... Gambit wins regardless.
The way it works is he must touch an oject being thrown at him for it to teleport something. He can not teleport the other person even parts of them. Other than that he can only teleport himself. He also only has 12 javelins so he can run out.
That is a question I have Khell or Digi once he uses a javelin to teleport is that javelin gone afterwards or is he able to use 1 Javelin as much as possible.
Quoting to make sure you guys read this. Also just to let you know guys Khell can only teleport items he touches so all I have to do is attack the area around him and let Blast radiuses do the damage three attacks at once means it will be hard to dodge. Also if I use Scorpion's Acid and fling it at him he won't be able to teleport that as well. So now it is four attacks coming his way. And he has limited long range capabilities which meansd he has limitied time before he can't go long range anymore.
Good God. I couldn't pick all your points out of that post where you tried doing multiple quotes. I'm just gonna respond randomly to a bunch of people.
I'm using them to get to vantage points where I can snipe at him using Midnighter's sensors with Grail's chi blasts.
Partially right. I'm not wasting my javelins by throwing them with you. I'm charging up my collapsible bo with portal energy, so that I can redirect every shot you take at me. As I've shown, Blink can charge ANY object with her energy, not just her javelins.
Well, she can open portal-like things to redirect energy. Didn't anyone look at all the scans I posted??
No. Digi misunderstood me when he said that, so I corrected him. I don't have to be able to touch something, I just have to be able to intercept it with a portal. And with Blink and Midnighter's combined reaction times, I am easily capable of doing that. Again, go check out the scans I posted a couple pages back.
Nope. Generally the portals she opens to redirect something are as big as whatever she's charging with her energy. Thats why I'm using Midnighter's telescoping bo.
See up above where I replied to long pig. Also see my scans for proof that I can indeed use Midnighter's sensors like sniper scopes.
You're right. Midnighter does do that. Only I have more options, being a teleporter I can attack you from anywhere, any direction, any angle. My scanners see through walls, so you can't hide from me. I can be half a mile in the air one second and two inches behind you the next. You can't run and my defenses are impenetrable.
Yeah... too bad they never bothered inventing tactical engines you could implant in someone's brain. Then you might have a chance... well, not really.
I can be three feet behind you and you won't hear me. You can be looking right at me and not see me. Your helmet only shows you what's in front of you, I can teleport so fast and so often you'll never see me.
Predators have enver met a bastard like my guy. You won't see me until a chi blast has shattered your spine or torn a hole in your suit and started melting away your flesh.
You ahve Scorpion, Deathstroke and a bigass Predator. Preds are damn strong and have insane stamina, but they aren't even close to Spiderman in agility. You MAYBE could match Spiderman in agility, on your best day and his worst day.
Exactly. it's just some shoulder pads, groin protection and bracers. I can hit you with a chi blast so wide it covers your whole torso, there's no rollinging with something like that. I wonder what cooked Predator smells like?
First of all, Digi placed us both outside the mansion. If you wanna run inside where I can just blast out some walls and collapse the whole thing on your head then you go right ahead. I don't mind an easy win. Also, as I said before, my sensors penetrate solid objects, even from great distances.
So? Grail was a master assassin BEFORE he got the symbiote. He was as good with a sniper rifle as he was with a knife and sword. I am a sniper with the ultimate sniper scope and a damn good weapon. Run all you want, I've got time.
Wrong. I need my javelins to teleport YOU, not myself. Wich I never said I was going to do. Why would I want to help you move? Anyways, I don't know where you got the impression I was throwing javelins at you, because I never said it. Also, you can't dodge all my attacks. Not even with Spiderman would you be allowed to dodge all the time, which means I WILL hit you once, and once is all it takes.
Just to remind people: go look at my scans! I show Midnighter using his sensors like sniper scopes, I show Blink redirecting Hyperion's heat vision and I show examples of Grail's chi blasts.
Last edited by Khellendros on Oct 4th, 2005 at 07:44 PM
I had a PM concerning Newjak's character strength. He isn't applying the whole process to DS that made Mac Gargan the Scorpion, but the suit helps some in the strength department, and he's adding it onto DS who is already a Class 2-ish (give or take). It will improve the strength of his guy, but everyone can decide for themselves how much that is.
Hmmm, we've also had 4 teleporters so far. But rather than take over the brackets (like speed did in the last tourney) the first two lost (Laminator and Zachrivard). Haven't been able to find much of a trend so far, though obscure people haven't helped much since there's been a lack of knowledge about them (Drizzt and more specifically Benedict come to mind).
Yeah... I was afraid of precisely what hapepned to Dizzle and Lam. Picking a little known comic character is one thing, you can still find scans. Picking book characters just makes it that much harder to back up your claims.
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Sorry ver bad first attempt I know
And your doing this all while I'm standing still right plus I already said I don't even have to attack you directly I can use the blast radius from my attacks and you can't teleport those. As they say there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Won't help you when they aren't attacking you directly just the area around you. Oh by the way if I spray you with acid from Scorpion's tail how are you gonna teleport all that.
Yeah and my guy has options your guy doesn't. Like being able to attack with many weapons at once and all of them having a blast radius means I don't even have to hit soi can avoid your portals. Your defences aren't impenetrtable. Only very good and my attacking abilities are better.
Yeah to bad I already have a guy with a brain that is boosted DS's adding with the Pred knowledge and tech and you have no advantage in anything with me.
Yeah and I can hear before you ever get close to me your guy is good at stealth my guy though has tech designed to find anything. I can see in many different visions and can hear or slightest move at 500 feet away.
Let's see DS has taken on the JLA I'm sure he has met people that are badder than you.
Please Scorpion has always been close already to Spidey now with Pred Tech and DS's reaction time I basically have Spidey sense as well. I also agility that is past Spidey you are hitting me at all on your best day and my worst.
Actually it covers my chest back groind thighs and the pads basically run down half my upper arm. Along with Bracers and Groin protection. Again if you even have timne to get off a Chi Blast and even then if you could hit me.
I can attack you outside inside it doesn't matter and guess what my sensors can see through walls as well.
And DS is mercenary of the highest calibur whoi has beaten Batman and others like that and almost whooped the JLA single handed. He also is very accuarte and guess what he has adavnced alien tech Sniper scope that can track you by simple head movement and once locked on ther is no avoiding it's like having a mini tracer on you. I don't have to run just avaoid and return fire.
I don't have to dodge all the time I can just as easily blast anything you throw at me as well or use my armor to block anything I think I can't avoid that simple my guy actually does have an impenatrable defence.
By the way your teleporting thing won't work as once you teleport I will be in diferent spot so if you try to teleport behind me I could be looking right in your facxe which then your head is gone like that if I can hit the Flash I can hit you before you think.
Sorry newjak, despite you yourself being an omniversal force of destruction who would crush Khell, I think his amalgam would more likely beat yours. Voting Khell.
Well, his focused chi blasts are strong enough to take out armored military vehicles, unfocused blasts can shatter giant stone worms and deastroy two giants covered with similar symbiotes and stone armor.
The portals she uses to redirect with are... I dunno maybe a foot wide. She's made portals large enough for people to step through for transportation purposes but I think that would be a bit unfair in this tournament.
They stay up as long as I'm channeling power through an object like one of the javelins.
Wtf? What blast radius? Plasma caster fire relatively small bursts of plasma, what are you talking about? And, anyways, even if you do catch me in some explosion, my symbiote and shield are more than enough to protect me.
When WHAT aren't attacking me? I'm not even clear on what weapon you're claiming to use here. Acid? Won't get through my shield, so I'm not worried.
Well, considering the fact that you won't even see me, thats going to be very difficult. Blast radii mean nothing to a teleporter, I'll be gone before whatever weapon you're using explodes.
Yes, you have a working brain and some Pred tech. None of which keeps me from blowing a hole through your chest. I have a MASSIVE mobility and stealth advantage.
You keep saying it but that doesn't make it true. I can teleport a quarter of a mile up and just bombard the landscape with chi blasts. Kinda hard to pay attention to the helmet when the death is raining from above.
Please, he took on a weakened HORRIBLY WRITTEN JLA team and got his eye stabbed the f*ck out for his trouble. And that was with prep and in close quarters combat. You'll never get close to me.
Riiight. Just keep repeating that, someone might just believe you.
Not what your links said. both of them. Unless you mean that full, clunky armor? The armor it says slows them down horribly?
Good for you. Too bad you won't know where to look.
Great. So, he beat a human who has no powers and ALMOST beat a watered down JLA. Lovely for him.
You aren't telling me anythign I don't know. My point is, if I keep moving to a new location and firing at you, you can't track me period.
Right, you're going to shoot a chi blast out of the sky. No, I don't think so. Your armor is clunky and doesn't cover all of you. I'm going to be blasting at every gap in your armor and each hit will continue burning long after I've moved on.
Teleportation is instantaneous, you can only move so far in that time. Besides, since you won't see me, you won't even know when to start moving... unless you plan on just running in circles the whole fight.
Deathstroke hit Flash because explosive charges guided him right where DS wanted. that won't work on me because the battliefield is too large, and you can't predict where I'll teleport.
Time for some more scans, with Grail being the only focus.
Just so people don't overlook the fact that I said I put a shield up during prep, here's an example of his shield strength. The big green guy is Maul, who gets stronger the larger he gets. He was about the same size when he met Majestic and was knocking him around, so Maul is definitely top tier class 100. http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?...ishield28ne.jpg
Now, about those chi blasts. We've seen that a focused beam easily knocks an armored jet out of the sky. Here's what Grail can dow hen he's not even trying to focus his energy. First, we see him blasting two resurrected members of his team who ahd turned evil. Not only did they have symbiotes, they were covered in thick layers of rock armor. http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?...oteblast7hf.jpg
Finally, we have the symbiote's durability. Note him taking weapons fire from helicopters to the chest and just standing there, and taking smaller rounds to the face without even blinking. This is when he was near death and leaking energy, he was about to do a kamikaze thing to buy his team time to escape. http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?...rability6zc.jpg
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looks like his shield is over the limits then.... it'd have to be toned down here (like a lot of other characters are finding)
EDIT: in fact everything you've shown there kinda proves that Grail is above almost all the limits for this tourney.... the only rule he hasn't broken so far is the speed rule
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Yeah, the shield and symbiote should be assumed to be toned down to the tourney limit. And I don't think I've crossed the limit in energy projection. None of my scans show Grail doing anything Cyclops couldn't do except for the burning flesh thing, since his eyeblasts are impact and not heat. And his strength is within the limits too. You can't tell me you don't think spider man could shatter stone with a few hits.
Last edited by Khellendros on Oct 5th, 2005 at 02:21 AM
Spidey has punched chunks out of buildings. Grail seems...suspect at places, but assume the normal dissatisfied glare from me followed by toning sh*t down to acceptable levels.
Also, how exactly does Blink work? I'm confused as hell. I thought she could teleport, and use the javelins as teleporting devices that could do damage or teleport stuff thrown at her if she could hit the objects with the javelins. Khell seems to have portals all over the place and apparently can just create one with his hand if he is holding a javelin to channel it through. I'm not saying anything is unacceptable as a power, but please explain.
Okay. When teleporting herself, she just does it. Like Nightcrawler. No javelins needed. When teleporting/disrupting others, she charges an object, like her javelins, with energy and throws it at them. When redirecting an object or energy blast, he holds an object in her hand, focuses her power through it, and manifests a portal the size of whatever object she's focusing through about an inch away from her hand. She then intercepts said object/energy with the portal, opening an exit portal for it wherever she wishes.
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