I'm going to let Digi defend himself since this rule changing and discussion has been a little too eventful not to take into consideration, also the in-character thing is specially important regarding Thor.
Digi dropped out because he said what Doc will be doing or something and it was deemed OK but now theres complaints hes not allowed so his whole plan is ruined and his characters have been limited so he decided no point in taking part.
For the record, I am done with the tourney, and have no designs on coming back. I could probably do some damage with Thor, a severely neutered Doctor, and whatever chip I have on my shoulder from the decision, but there's too many people left in the tourney that even I'd vote for against me at this point, whose debating skills are equal to mine, and whose teams are at least equal to what I'd currently be working with and probably much more powerful.
But I'd like to inform everyone of the situation, so that it never happens again in tournaments. The following is from PMs during drafts:
The following is from my recent match:
...so it was legal even during my match. It was only late in the match that it was declared illegal:
No discussion took place on the matter after that point, and my points and questions were not addressed. It was deemed a problem (from, I can only speculate, Smurph's complaints and little else) and then banned.
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I have stressed to others, and maintain now, that a person and a person's opinion are separate, and we need not bash a person if we disagree with them, however strong the disagreement is. I do, strongly, disagree with the decision to ban inorganic matter manipulation for tech creation, since it was established multiple times that it was legal. However, I'd ask everyone to refrain from making it a personal issue beyond the disagreement of opinions.
But I do want to use this as a platform to say that this is something that I don't think should EVER happen in tournaments. The time and money I spent amassing comics for this tournament have been instantly invalidated on a whim, and the fun I was having competing against others has been negated because I can no longer compete. And I'd like to think that the tourney itself has been lessened somewhat. If goober had still been in the tournament, he'd be in the same situation.
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In the future, I'll be attempting to prepare a brief guide for tournament directors so that they are prepared for the many challenges that await them (because it's never as easy to host well as people think, so I empathize with nearly any tourney director) and possible pitfalls that have trapped past tourney directors, from time issues (either too slow or too fast), individual decisions, maintaining set power levels, etc. etc. because starting with ill's (or even dating back to Trick's failed attempt at a mutiny) there hasn't been a lot to be proud of in tournaments....the reasons differ, and many tried hard to make it work, but if the outcome is general apathy and/or negativity, something needs to be corrected.
You don't have the authority to null votes. You don't like the fact that WWH was full of bad writing, that's your perogative. But don't assume that you can say that someone's opinion is null like that. Only Eva has that authority (Sorry about attempting to tease you a little bit Eva. I had to drop the joke when Trick was taking it seriously.)
Hell, I'd like to change the reason for my vote to Digi because as this is also a debate tournament I as a judge am not impressed by all the violations of logic that Joey Stacks (Forget it there is only one Smurph on here and it aint you.) attempts to employ like this clear case of ad hominem.
Digi's arguments are both more feasable, they actually adhere to ALL the rules that ACTUALLY exist. and he presensts his case a a lot better.
There's an admission of bias which says his opinion really shouldn't count either. I drafted World War Hulk and pointed out that someone voted for me because they didn't like that WWH shrugged off an attack from their favorite character (even out and out accusing me of lying).
And now Creshosk has pointed out that he too feels WWH was 'full of bad writing'.
No, he said I didn't have the right to call out a voters integrity for randomly calling me a liar
and then mentioned that my characters showing is 'bad writing' and went on a rant about how Digi's employing of out of character tactics and instant tech was more feasible.
Clearly Creshosk is a unbiased source with a credible opinion.
An admission of bias is me not liking how WWH played out? What are you drawing most of your arguments from that PIS-fest? No wonder you're not getting any ... votes.
Oh, new strategy.. get everyone who votes against you's votes nullified. Why not? YOu failed to get your opponents strategies declared illegal despite whining like a little *****. Makes sense that you'd do anything to win.
And you submitted a doctored picture. What's your point?
And it was. God was Hulk a ****ing dumbass in WWH.
Yes. That is EXACTLY what I'm saying. I'm saying that there was bad writing in WWH so that makes him street level... That is without a doubt 100% what I'm saying... good job finding that out!
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OR did you miss the sarcasm due to your own over inflated sense of self worth getting oin your way?
I didn't like the charicterization, therefore Hulk is not as powerful as I think he should be?
This isn't as a debate, but I'm just curious: after having posted all the different times where she said my prep was ok (which I'm hoping you read), do you still think it was always illegal? Or do you realize (correctly) that it was changed? Because if it's the former, you're just not reading what was written, and saying whatever you think best supports your cause. It's not even an opinion, it would just be objectively, provably, test-ably, wrong. If it's the latter, at least you understand the situation correctly, though you still insist on attacking me about it.
My plan is illegal. Now. But it wasn't when our match started, and had been declared ok in past instances when I asked about it. I just hope, for your own sake, you're able to comprehend that and that you don't simply form your interpretation to your will. Because it's just destructive self-delusion otherwise.
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