Random pet peeve: If a day ever came where intelligent design was proven, skeptics would still be pricks to the faithful, claiming they're still idiots because they didn't actually know.
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I was joking about ST giving scientist a bad name, just to be clear.
It does seem very ambitious and it's doubtful it is 100% accurate, but even Democritus with his very limited knowledge managed to get a mediocre solution for the problem of the constitution of the universe in realm of many diverse and countless models.
So even if the proposition is inadequate it might help in the future.
Btw, does everyone here know that 'Intelligent Design' was original invented to claim aliens made life on Earth, and it was later repurposed by creationists?
I'll comment the wide majority of Christians don't believe in intelligent design. It's much more common to believe that God caused evolution.
The modern version of the argument, that specifically says that humans couldn't have come from nature because we're too complex (and which older creationism wouldn't have thought to say because us being evolved didn't seem on the table), as well as the term, and most importantly trying to pseudo-science it up in scientific language as a 'competing theory' with evolution, were set down by William A. Dembski who named the intelligent designer as a 'god or alien life force'.
Also for some irony, a number of Creationist groups are against it for not being properly biblical- it does, after all, tried to hide that t's an argument for god in non-religious term.
Well yes I was just about to talk about that, I have no problem with the idea of intelligent design for humanity. Just looking at the stuff we can do with genetic manipulation..a race vastly more advanced? Could surely of engineered us. Or modified us. But with technology, not via magic powers.
That is a lot harder to swallow then "guy who exists outside of time and space did it".
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One of my favorite themes in scifi is reinterpreting natural phenomena as works of/intervention by alien superintelligence. Eg, the 2001: space odyssey Monolith; Cygnus x-1 in Contact (the book, not the film); and my favorite, from Baxter's Ring novel: the Great Attractor.
I had written a short story some years back where the accelerating expansion of the universe was due to alien superintelligence.
I'm just fascinated by the theme.
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About 10 years ago a department at the University of Chicago basically announced that they thought that the human brain's evolution was the result of a "special event". Some later refer to it as the "big brain bang".
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Basically the belief of Intelligent design stems from people thinking life is too complex to have developed on it's own. So you attribute it to whatever thing you want.
I have a deep infatuation for(let's say) dinosaurs, I propose dinosaurs are intelligent, so intelligent they faked their own death and created life as an experiment.
I do believe the biggest factor in the event they're referring to coincides with the invention of cooking- which allowed us to get more calories from the same amount of food (about 15% more), giving us more energy to work with, requiring less energy put into digestions, which, in turn, made possible a lot more high-energy adaptations related to the brain and similar.
You do sometimes run across keystone changes that make a whole lot of future changes more possible because the species is in effect running with extra power.
Like imagine if everyone just suddenly switched to a fuel that was 20% more efficient. You'd see a lot of changes from car makers that'd continue to happen for years as people found new ways to take advantage of the extra power. Different engines, some more efficient, some higher power. Things becoming lighter (doesn't have to carry as much gas for the same performance) or heavier (can carry more stuff including gas) become possible, etc..
Neanderthal can be considered 'sports utility humans,' that while popular for a time, ultimate got phased out in favor of lighter humans with better gas millage.
It is arguably more plausible, yet at the same time we have a couple 'errors' that I feel makes it unlikely.
For example, we have a small blind spot in our eyes due to where the nerves connect to the cornea.
There's no particular reason for nerves to connect there, and in some animals they connect elsewhere, resulting in no blindspot.
There's a lot of little things that could be tweeked and improved pretty easily, and a genetic engineer would likely notice these types of things in an error check.
Maybe they didn't want to make us perfect? After all some say at first it was done to use us as slave labor, so I could see them not going all out. Assuming that is true of course.
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Because the multiverse—in general—is not falsifiable. You could argue for a model where the universes in the multiverse are casually independent—i.e. there can be no interaction between universes—and there is literally nothing anyone in the universe could do to prove you wrong.
I just wanted to say this argument does make a bit of sense, but to me it especially then shows there is no benevolent god-like force, since why would God purposely give us a blindspot?
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I mean either God isn't perfect or he's a douche and gave us a blindspot on purpose.
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