The pt/ot era doesn't compare in terms of troves and troves of force abilities and knowledge. It's not even close. Furthermore, insinuating that valky needed a nexus and billions of inhabitants begs proof.
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Luke doesn't count among the 'golden age of the Jedi Order'. Given the only one left out of that bunch that might be Revan's superior is Yoda, no I'm not inclined to suggest a 'vast disparity' exists between eras.
Sidious eventually did, when they almost killed him. But that renders the argument of the Banite Sith besides Sidious being the most knowledgable as hogwash. Sidious knowing everything in spite of him stating himself that there's much he'd like to recover, is sheer folly.
Sidious is Valkorion's equal as of Dark Empire, but given Yoda was barely stalemating ROTS Sidious, who isn't nearly as powerful as he is in Dark Empire, then your PT Jedi > all argument is null.
He only changed his mind on the condition that any Sith preceding him would have to have died with their secrets to be his equal, which tears the statement apart.
Excuse me if I don't take Darth Plagueis' blurb as definitive when others have claims such as Bane > all. Stick to Sheev's most powerful wank and we might get somewhere.
Do you even know which quote you're referring to? it is stated that Nihilus 'blasts' the planet, this is commonly taken as a means to lowball his achievements, even though 'blast' is hardly definitive at all.
You know what is funny? The Ravager never even appears to have weapons in the Second Battle of Telos IV. Nihilus' power can easily 'blast' the planet, given the surface of the planet is completely wrecked. The actual visual depiction, as I've provided, clearly doesn't depict capital ship bombardment at all.
>Canonically stated in a codex entry.
Within your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame. This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker.
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Said 70 years is more explored than the rest of the material put together. Also a 3rd of that list is made up of the Skywalker bloodline, which is obviously an exceptional case.
I think he's talking about the one that says N "blasted them into ruins". Which doesn't specify bombardment and has been debunked as such many times already. Unseen, Unheard shows us it was a force attack.
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And frankly this goes for the Jedi too, they lost the Temple on Ossus, and they suffered near extermination at the hands of the Triumvirate, forcing Meetra to rebuild the Order from the ground up. In that respect I can't see how the TOR era could possibly be considered to be in possession of more Force knowledge, when realistically it should possess some of the least.
Well, I mean, it's not as if Darth Revan's holocron doesn't include the teachings from Malachor V and Korriban that he studied, right?
But TOR Sith built their knowledge largely off experimentation, since they fled after the Korriban genocide from the Republic and stayed in exile for millennia. At most, they would have discovered some teachings left behind by the Sith earlier on Dromund Kaas.
By the time they came back to Korriban, however, there was only a destroyed world with its tombs being further looted over the millennia. The game is even set in the midst of excavation efforts. TOR era doesn't look to be much more convincing, lol.
To address Neph's point though 1. the Skywalker bloodline was created to as a response to the growing power of the Sith, and 2. the TOR era is explored sufficiently enough to account for the best of each respective period, and yet they remain holistically inferior.
But isn't the argument that force users got more powerful over time while we are arguing that that wasn't possible considering that inifnitely more force knowledge was lost than found or created?
This is an opinion.. To you it may look holistically inferior, but to me it's anything but. I'll grant you the fact that some of the most powerful force users came about the time after Bane's eradication of the sith, but you have equally powerful characters in the TOR era.. If you want to argue quality>quantity, that's pretty much all you have and I'll concede that point.
no such proof exists and I'm not sure it will help the OP argument anyways. We've seen maybe two holocrons that seem to possess the creator's full spectrum of knowledge and that's bane and nadd. I only use nadd because it took bane a decade to study the holocron.
And yet people expect Bane to have all the knowledge within Revan's holocron, which was flawed (the crystal was weak and it had no markings - note the markings were essential for the holocron's "appearance, knowledge, and cognitive processes") and only studied for "a few short weeks?"
Also I'm not convinced that a lone holocron would contain all of Revan's knowledge. Holocrons are generally created with a specific purpose ("A Holocron could contain ancient rituals of devastating power, or the keys to unlocking the magics of ancient Sith sorcerers, or even avatars that simulated the personality of the Holocron's original creator."), and as made clear by Revan's, the emphasis was philosophy with a hint of Sith sorcery.
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First someone would have to prove revan's holocron contained all of its teachings which would be hard considering revan stressed the rule of two and not sharing power. Then we have to consider that bane learned all that he could for a few weeks max? At that point it becomes blatantly obvious.