Again, the problem is trying to use DBS-era Gotenks as a measuring stick. As I've just shown you, his power in DBS was portrayed vastly different than how it was originally portrayed in Z.
Like I said earlier: per DBS, the BoG arc is set a mere 6 months after the Boo saga, yet SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta(rage-boost) are regarded by Beerus as substantially more powerful than anyone else he'd fought... And he fought Gotenks(SSJ3 Gotenks in the manga), as well as Mystic Gohan.
ie. at the start of DBS, SSJ3 Goku ~ SSJ2 RB Vegeta > Mystic Gohan > Gotenks.
...And there is absolutely NO reason to believe the powers of Goku and Vegeta had improved much(if at all) in the 6 months between the Boo arc and BoG. Moreover, when Beerus stated that base Goku was weaker than Freeza, no one disagreed with him, and we were given absolutely no reason to assume he was wrong. That is simply the level of power Goku was intended to be operating at when DBS/BoG first began.
Fact is, Gohan and Gotenks were clearly no longer intended to be dozens of times more powerful than Goku and Vegeta in DBS. Toriyama has obviously changed his mind about the younger generation supplanting the older generation -- it's the "Goku & Vegeta Show" now, and their kids are little more than comedic relief on a good day.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 28th, 2018 at 01:41 AM
In the anime, after Beerus fights/owns RB Vegeta he states: "It's been quite a while since I've used 10% of my true strength... I have to say, I had a bit more fun with that Saiyan on the North Kai's planet."
I take that as Beerus essentially saying that Goku and Vegeta were roughly on par with on another, but Goku might've been slightly superior. /shrug
The original Z material certainly paints the picture that Gohan and Gotenks had surpassed Goku and Vegeta by a considerable margin. But yeah, as of the start of DBS/BoG that is definitely no longer the case... Which could indeed indicate that Toriyama also changed his mind about where they ranked during the Boo saga as well, given that these arcs only take place a few months apart.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 28th, 2018 at 10:14 PM
I don't think Vegeta is even capable of SSJ4 without the Brute Ray.
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Goku could do it himself, because his chibization restored the tail (Along with a lot of work to bring it out.)
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Main character power that Goku has aside, they still did Vegeta a solid, versus Toppo, etc. The GT writers on the other hand clearly hated Vegeta. Giving him SSJ4 by the end was just an afterthought with how little screentime he had with it even.
Least it lead to a really good Budokai 3 story to play around with.
His battle with SSJ4 Goku was awesome. And his 10X Final Shine is like the funniest move in the game.
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