It was in the days when they used to ***** at each other all the time, mainly over Jean. Cyclops didn't want to kill him he actually got Wolvie beserker. He did at times use optic blasts to keep Wovie off balance but they were indirect like blasting the ground out from under him. Spidey could easily keep him off balance the same kind of way with webs.
On the note of Wolvie fighting power houses, Spidey has fought these as well including running rings round the Xmen and FF.
spiderman "ran rings" around a teamof w-men who weren't trying to hurt him only capture him......spiderman "ran rings" around an FF that was trying to talk to him while he had something to prove...he didn't do anything in that example but show up hit thing...spin a woman in circles and run away....not really much of an accomplishment.....I'm not taking away from the fact that spidey's done the same...but lets be serious here....spiderman either gets extremely lucky or has incredible circumstances on his side so do so more ofen than not...wolverine usually takes it straight to the guy...not that he's incapible of trickery or using time, mind games, resourcefullness, etc. to his advantage..he just prefers it the other way.
If cyclops is using optic blasts, thats hardly a straight up h2h fight...regardless of where he's aiming them....
Originally posted by The MISTER
I just had to come back ( is anyone surprised?)no2This is not unrelated as Marvel allowed this garbage to happen. And many other inconsistent writings.
If that's not true then how can Wolverine jump 3 stories straight up without having strength that is considered superhuman?
Marvel is not concerned about being consistent at all any more than JJJ is concerned with being honest. It's all about the money.
If wolverine could bench five tons I'd be first in line to say that he can do all that he's been shown to do, AND beat Spider-man.
Since you want to talk about the 100% victories for Wolvy vs Spidey that's cool. But it doesn't mean much considering that they have only fought a few times. If there were only three votes in a poll and they were all for the same person that person has 100% of the votes. Not so impressive. It's funny the way percentages work and thinking about that, being 12% faster than Wolverine IS a WHOLE lot. Either that or wolverine is slow.
You would have to look up at someone 12% taller than you if you were only six feet tall. Since wolverine is ridiculously fast if Spider-man is 12% faster (and considering how he's about 90% stronger he should be more than 12% faster) he should be blindingly fast. Wolverine is fast enough to baffle the senses and Spidey's at least 12% faster. very big deal.
And please explain how wolverine can jump 3 stories without saying "because almighty MARVEL let it happen". If there's anything that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it's the fact that MARVEL (not the characters) is EXTREMELY inconsistent. Have you ever heard of a no-prize? They give props to people that can catch and explain their F*CK UP'S!!!
So you want to disregard the character's ABILITIES and use their STORIES as gospel?
I will say this at least. I don't think any of the wolvy fan's are totally incorrect. If Wolverine was CAPABLE of jumping three stories (He's been drawn doing it and Spidey's been drawn knocking out the hulk something he's NOT CAPABLE of doing.) they would have a better argument on their hands. But Marvel has screwed their argument by making him a little stronger than Cap and unable to perform feats that require SUPERHUMAN strength. Spider-man can press at least ten tons so it makes perfect sense when he can propel his body five stories.
And that "just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen." can be reararranged into, Just because you LIKE it doesn't mean it COULD happen.
Would it matter if I liked it when Spidey KO'ed hulk? If I said that Spidey has a 100% KO history over the hulk does that mean he would do it every time?
I'm not hatin on you Wolvy fan's but I'm not going to delude myself into trusting EVERYTHING marvel allows for in it's stories as logical even though there is NO LOGICAL EXPLANATION!! Something happens that couldn't happen, there is no explanation, and I'm just supposed to pretend like I don't KNOW that it couldn't happen. I've said "Bulls*it!" to myself before while reading stories where Spider-man is overwritten.
I'm done for real now, and I'll leave on this note...
Without giving a smart remark....HOW CAN 800 LB WOLVERINE JUMP 3 STORIES WITHOUT SUPER STRENGTH?
PEACE! 😮💨
To be fair, Cyclops attacked the whole New X-men team at once because he thought Proteus might have dismantled their courage and fortitude.
Cyclops kicked all their asses for the most part, and did some pretty incredible H2H (dodging Wolverine's claws etc...)as well as using his beam. He was just trying to get them angry though. He stopped the fight because he figured he couldn't keep winning forever and he accomplished his goal.
Wolverine was shaking in his boots because of Proteus's powers, Cyclops figured the only way to give him his confidence back was to put him into a Berzerker rage.
Originally posted by The MISTER
This is not unrelated as Marvel allowed this garbage to happen. And many other inconsistent writings.
whether or not it's garbage is up to debate obviously...the point is that marvel has allowed it to happen on several different occasions...apparently they feel the same way as we do about the scenario...
Originally posted by The MISTER
If that's not true then how can Wolverine jump 3 stories straight up without having strength that is considered superhuman?
actually marvel has finally begun to consent to the fact that wolverine's bones, healing factor, and developed musclature is capible of strength thats bordering on low super human levels.... but since you feel it's impossible that a human could do this in comic book land...let me induldge you here....monks of the white dragon martial arts system used to have insane training methods that proved human's are evn capible of comparitively super human feats....they would dig holes in the ground and jump out of them all day....then they would dig deeper...they would keep doing this until their abilities allowed them to easily bound to the top of a rooftop a story or so high....at the time..that's a good ten feet in the air...now here we have a man who is of comparitive training, obviously above average unduring of physical training and hardships. Top that off with the fact that his adamantium skeleton makes him automatically stronger than a human...his healing ability that allows for him to move with more explosive movements while retaining his peak condition, not faultering to expiration, and then the fact that it's in a comic book....it's not too hard to believe that wolverine would be capible of said feats. Don't get me wrong...but it's as simple as this...wolverine's done it...alot...so it's obviously within his cababilities to do so again..... you may disagree but it doesn't matter what your views are as far as how the character should be represented because they directly conflict with how the character HAS been represented... like I said..I get your point..it's just that your point doesn't make too much of a difference here.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Since you want to talk about the 100% victories for Wolvy vs Spidey that's cool. But it doesn't mean much considering that they have only fought a few times. If there were only three votes in a poll and they were all for the same person that person has 100% of the votes. Not so impressive.
how many times does logan need to beat on spidey's ass until it's canon in your mind? 😂 seriously a lot of fights in comicdom have only happened once...yet we know how the results of said fights would turn out because it's happened....this perticular fight as happen quite a bit...and spidey loses...this isn't voting....well the poll is..but comic book feats like the ones mentioned were not voted upon..you're arguing semantics that don't even matter here at this point...(sigh)....
Originally posted by The MISTER
being 12% faster than Wolverine IS a WHOLE lot. Either that or wolverine is slow. You would have to look up at someone 12% taller than you if you were only six feet tall. Since wolverine is ridiculously fast if Spider-man is 12% faster (and considering how he's about 90% stronger he should be more than 12% faster) he should be blindingly fast. Wolverine is fast enough to baffle the senses and Spidey's at least 12% faster. very big deal.
this is a stats that doesn'y apply to your height comparison....spidey can move faster...but not by much...wolverine consistantly takes it to people who move a lot faster than himself.... ghost rider, ogun, cyber, suron, he's even nailed quick silver, speed demon, northstar...and hey 😱 spiderman! You see with expert training in how to fight comes anticipation.....I give you frank dux a guy who trained blindfolded...his senses and abilities to anticipate attacks became so honed and tempored that he was able to fight without the ability to see..... hell, even I had to endure some of this kind of training...to make a long story short...being able to feel where an attack is coming from and react to it as or before it happens is a huge part of the ability to fight...logans one of the best, do the math. spiderman being an untrained fighter is more likely to telegraph attacks before landing them...wolverine will see them coming. Again like frank dux' honed senses, wolverine has even better ones...much much better infact...he can probably hear spiderman begin to move and react to that just as well...this is beyond just being a possibility...why? because he had to fight lady deathstrike and sabretooth in the pitch black, using his other senses to rely on for navegation... finally again...spiderman will have to be at the top of his game to avoid wolverine..and he knows it..hell he admitted it...but while spiderman will tire wolverine will not... as spiderman slows down, wolverine will not....his speed isn't that much of a factor here.... [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by The MISTER
So you want to disregard the character's ABILITIES and use their STORIES as gospel
anyways...can someone please give me the issue number of when spiderman KOed the hulk.....
and maybe something you don't like means that to you it couldn't happen.....but the fact is IT HAS HAPPENED get over it...spiderman's well withing the pereameters of characters that wolverine can (and has for that matter) beat.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I just had to come back ( is anyone surprised?)no2This is not unrelated as Marvel allowed this garbage to happen. And many other inconsistent writings.
If that's not true then how can Wolverine jump 3 stories straight up without having strength that is considered superhuman?
Marvel is not concerned about being consistent at all any more than JJJ is concerned with being honest. It's all about the money.
If wolverine could bench five tons I'd be first in line to say that he can do all that he's been shown to do, AND beat Spider-man.
Since you want to talk about the 100% victories for Wolvy vs Spidey that's cool. But it doesn't mean much considering that they have only fought a few times. If there were only three votes in a poll and they were all for the same person that person has 100% of the votes. Not so impressive. It's funny the way percentages work and thinking about that, being 12% faster than Wolverine IS a WHOLE lot. Either that or wolverine is slow.
You would have to look up at someone 12% taller than you if you were only six feet tall. Since wolverine is ridiculously fast if Spider-man is 12% faster (and considering how he's about 90% stronger he should be more than 12% faster) he should be blindingly fast. Wolverine is fast enough to baffle the senses and Spidey's at least 12% faster. very big deal.
And please explain how wolverine can jump 3 stories without saying "because almighty MARVEL let it happen". If there's anything that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it's the fact that MARVEL (not the characters) is EXTREMELY inconsistent. Have you ever heard of a no-prize? They give props to people that can catch and explain their F*CK UP'S!!!
So you want to disregard the character's ABILITIES and use their STORIES as gospel?
I will say this at least. I don't think any of the wolvy fan's are totally incorrect. If Wolverine was CAPABLE of jumping three stories (He's been drawn doing it and Spidey's been drawn knocking out the hulk something he's NOT CAPABLE of doing.) they would have a better argument on their hands. But Marvel has screwed their argument by making him a little stronger than Cap and unable to perform feats that require SUPERHUMAN strength. Spider-man can press at least ten tons so it makes perfect sense when he can propel his body five stories.
And that "just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen." can be reararranged into, Just because you LIKE it doesn't mean it COULD happen.
Would it matter if I liked it when Spidey KO'ed hulk? If I said that Spidey has a 100% KO history over the hulk does that mean he would do it every time?
I'm not hatin on you Wolvy fan's but I'm not going to delude myself into trusting EVERYTHING marvel allows for in it's stories as logical even though there is NO LOGICAL EXPLANATION!! Something happens that couldn't happen, there is no explanation, and I'm just supposed to pretend like I don't KNOW that it couldn't happen. I've said "Bulls*it!" to myself before while reading stories where Spider-man is overwritten.
I'm done for real now, and I'll leave on this note...
Without giving a smart remark....HOW CAN 800 LB WOLVERINE JUMP 3 STORIES WITHOUT SUPER STRENGTH?
PEACE! 😮💨
Exactly what I've said all along, they use what explains when, without explaining how,and it always goes to the when and not how.
Of course what comics do don't make sense. BUT, they are supposed to make sense upon themselves, If captain america was to waltz in and beat all of the xmen at once unscathed, you would want a good reason because you KNOW that cant happen, do you have to explain to me why Galactus would beat these guys and post somethig, no. Debates are supposed to explain how to be valid, and it wont happen seeing as there is no good reason, he wins just because they wont let another superhero beat another outright that easily, even if there power is obscenly beyond the others.
Stats are what we used to discern what makes sense, even if it is given from something else, you are using wolvie at his BEST moments without explaining why.
And because noone on the opposing side could confirm to me wolvie's healing factor pinnacle, that makes it that more fruitless to reason with you. If healing is your core point of why spidey loses, but it is unconfirmed, then we could sit here all day on this thread that has been done more than jenna jameson to the point where you need a bloodtest after reading it, and here you manipulate and exaggerate the points so that spidey does no damage to wolvie, spidey wont need that factor seeing as he wont be hit, superhuman, strategically, and precog wise, with gadgetry.. I need a break, lol, its Merc early in the morning, Cresh midday, and Jinzin at night, if you don't believe me see what I've persisted through on the last few pages.
I'm on the anime forum for now, post me if you need me.
Oh and The Creshosk droid can kill spidey, just so you know.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I never said he didnt have a chance YOU, assumed that, "makes an A-S-S out of U-M-E, mostly you though. 😛
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolverine does not heal instantly from everything the very notion of it is ridiculous.
😐 😕
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWhat are you talking about?
You also explicitly said that 70 weaker punches were not going to destroy a brick wall yourself. You killed your own point.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI never said Wolverine couldn't be knocked down, I said spiderman can;' knock him out.
Yep and,DD chopped wolvie down, and Cyclops floored him, imagine why these char shown hit wolvie where wolvie needs to be hit to stay up.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchelland now you're just rambling.
The fact that the military wanted hulks blood sample for years, and Deadpool did it with a simple pole is utter bullshit as well, its called a plot device good sir. Entertaining but ridiculous, much like some wrestling matches.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellOh yes, putting wolverine in the newspaper is instant. 🙄
Hardly, spidey could just ignore wolverine, or put him on the newspaper for JJ with no problem,he can outspeed cars if he really wanted to, like i said closeminded.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellEr right. . . 🤨
And even if it WERE 100% FACT, that spidey could not ko wolverine, he wouldn't need to to defeat him, it would actually be worse to be awake to what could happen, I thought you were creative.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWhat's your point? He could wait until spidey makes a mistake . . .
Because he could do little else, who died and made you captain obvious
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellagain, hypocrite.
Hey you are creative, but close minded you use old matches, which answer "when" and not "how", and don't explain how yourself , only point to the "when".
It shows that spiderman cannot knowck out wolverine. . .
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIt's explained Spidey didn't think that was wolverine so didn't expect him to move that fast.
Like how spidey senses don't go off
Originally posted by CorderaMitchelladamantium + heling factor
but Logan has invurnerability,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSpideys what? 160 lbs? Wolverine has what 800 lbs strength?
or how spidey doesn't dodge, but logan backhands him 15 yards at peak human str, it you need me to go on.
800>160
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNo, he'll get tired first is the point.
Spidey won't get tired in this match too easily,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNever seen a marvel source give him that power, so now spidey has a healing factor too? Then why did he pass out due to blood loss when wolvie accidently got him?
there's that superhuman metabolism.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWolverine is a jumper, can't rest on the wall. . .
Spidey can just get on that wall and have his merry way with him, cheap but true.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBoy that's wrong. 😆
Which isn't going to happen seeing as he won't get near and spidey can target practice as much as he pleases.
I love the way instead of being layed up for months after being burned by Sinister until he wasent even recognizable[The storyline after The 12 around 2001] and was totally layed out taking a LONG time tto now against Spiderman his regeneration gets o the point where be reduced to ash by Galactuus and instantly regenerate
Anyways Wolverine has been created and IS a human character with a healing factor and unbreakable bones.This is why hes been beatten by people like Electra Deadpool Daredevil etc.Heck before Marvel really pushed the X-Men to be their premire team Spidey had whipped the entire team on his OWN
Anyways im not actually arguing Spiderman vs Wolverine here.The answer is already obvious so the point is moot.What i would like is for people to accknowledge that any character can be written way to strong for their actual ability and that "Writeritus" shouldnt dictate Vs matches like this
Prime examples of bad writing
1 Dazzler beatting Doctor Doom by running at him on rollar skates
2 Batman taking hits from Soloman Grundy and not turning into goo
3 Superman with his weakness to magic catching Thors Hammer onehanded
4 Spiderman beatting Firelord a friggan herald of Galactus
All i want is things like this to be recognized by debaters and for a general balanced accurate picture of a characters real strength
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaNo, you want to downplay Wolverine and powerup Spiderman
All i want is things like this to be recognized by debaters and for a general balanced accurate picture of a characters real strength
100% consistent, and you can't handle that so you site outside of spiderman and wolverine to try and prove a point.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, you want to downplay Wolverine and powerup Spiderman100% consistent, and you can't handle that so you site outside of spiderman and wolverine to try and prove a point.
Fine than tard' Spiderman beat the hell out of a herald of Galactus and raped the entire X-Men team trossing Wovlie around like a rag doll
Wolverine has been KO by a single shot from normal humans you lose
And if Wolverine can suddenly regenerate from Dust atoms his retarded fanboys memories then i grant Spiderman acess to the speed Force and vibrates Wolvies tin plated bones into Jelly
don't be mean to cresh
I know you are not saying wolverine can touch spiderman on a wall high in the air, you are making up stuff, spidey's way more adept at staying in the air,looks like youre running out of steam. 😛
He will wait until spidey's done pounding on his face and, then "hit him
wolverine was hardly in fighting conditions, too bad spidey didn't lower that punch.
this is sad ,there was a huge kid in my barracks, who benched 750, and he could not knock me back 15 yards,thats .1666666 of a football field, even if i went with the punch. He could not throw me that far.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, I would absorb most of the impact and some would go back, although I would actually take less damage going that far seeing as I didn't take all the impact.
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Fine than tard'
No I don't think you get it fanboy,
there has been a 100% consistency in their three fights. To call any of them PIS/CIS is to designate yourself as a fanboy.
"I don't like it so it didn't happen" And it didn't hapen THREE times, man THREE times. That's more times than ANY of your examples of PIS/CIS.
"Wolverine's inconsistant so we use him at his weakest spiderman at his strongest."
If you can't see how that reasoning is fanboyism you're beyond help fanboy.
You're making a strawman argument.
"Oh well I'll show extreme examples of dramatic writing, that have extremuating circumstances, so that I can brush off these less extreme more consistant examples that I don't like because it doesn't show the character they way I think he should be uh hyuk"
Howmany times did you examples happen? once each?
How many times did wolverine and spiderman fight with 100% consistency. three times.
For a backbone to any questioning abilities.
Just so we're all on the same page...