Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Far as i know Spidey has been a 10 tonner since Stan Lee started putting him down on paper.IF he lifted a Tank at all its a product of the writers screwing up and letting him do something he shouldnt

Of course that doesnt apply to Wolverine who should get credit for all stupid decisions his writers make.Like not having bone claw Wolverine be turned into jello after being hit by Hulk

Actually there is a worse piece of writing envolved with Wolverine bones not turning into jelly when hit by the Hulk... they decided that Wolverine's bones where changed on the molecular level by the adamandtium bonding process and where now as dense as adamantium.

That. Is. STUPID.

Everday something happens to remind me why i only read DC from now on

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Everday something happens to remind me why i only read DC from now on

Originally posted by black robb
oh yeah,because everything DC does makes perfect sense

Generation X Agent X and She-Hulk have all been cancled by Marvel

JSA The Flash and Aquaman are still going in DC

Marvel is screwing up characters left and right for years.Spidermans powered by a magic Spider totem Beast looks like the diesny cartoon version Jean/Scarlet witch are the 2K version of the Beyonder something voerpwoered that WILL be retroconned into something weak once it outlives its bad storyline and movies etc

DC brought back Hal Jordan but didnt just kill off Kyle while doing it.Old characters have actually improved tremendously while not being turned into something out of a bad image comics.

Theres still some crap floating around but at LEAST i know a comic i like can have a run of more than 12-15 issues without being canceled

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Generation X Agent X and She-Hulk have all been cancled by Marvel

JSA The Flash and Aquaman are still going in DC

Marvel is screwing up characters left and right for years.Spidermans powered by a magic Spider totem Beast looks like the diesny cartoon version Jean/Scarlet witch are the 2K version of the Beyonder something voerpwoered that WILL be retroconned into something weak once it outlives its bad storyline and movies etc

DC brought back Hal Jordan but didnt just kill off Kyle while doing it.Old characters have actually improved tremendously while not being turned into something out of a bad image comics.

Theres still some crap floating around but at LEAST i know a comic i like can have a run of more than 12-15 issues without being canceled

Generation X Agent X and She-Hulk have all been cancled by Marvel

I hated Agent X. Well, I take that back. The book was alright, but the idea of it pissed me off to no end. It looked like Simone killed off Deadpool and two new characters just to make her own super bad-ass ultra character.

Cable & Deadpool is an awesome book.

Marvel is screwing up characters left and right for years.Spidermans powered by a magic Spider totem Beast looks like the diesny cartoon version Jean/Scarlet witch are the 2K version of the Beyonder something voerpwoered that WILL be retroconned into something weak once it outlives its bad storyline and movies etc

Dude, no one actually came out and said Spider-Man is powered by a mystical spider totem, last I heard. It was thrown up in the air and then JMS never really came out and said one way or the other. And really, does it matter? I don't see how the idea of him being bitten by a radioactive spider, and then NOT DYING FROM IT, is an integral part of what makes Spidey, Spidey.

Apparently Jean is going to die for good this time. As far as Scarlet Witch? Well, all that stuff is being done by Bendis. Some argue that because of what Marvel's done back in the day, none of it will stay permanent. I guess that's being safe, and fair, but who knows? Perhaps they've gotten their act together after seeing Identity Crisis, etc.

Both DC and Marvel publish crap left and right

Wolverine is the epidemy of crap writing, i'm sorry you simply don't see that.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine is the epidemy of crap writing, i'm sorry you simply don't see that.

I believe you are thinking of anything work by Garth Ennis

Sorry, I came off harsh, wolverine books are entertaining, thus not crap, but are inaccurate to the integrity of the character often, and some people have many misconceptions about him, (not you though), you are rational but like ninjaz. 😛

Shinobi or Gaiden?

Gaiden!

Wolverine's title isn't bad, I mean it hasn't been great in along time but it is rarely awful (although I hate this current arc) its the x-men titles where all the problems are IMO.

Yeah, some of it was ruined with "second mutations, and such, but I loved the old juggernaut thats for sure, pal.

Tenchi or Gaiden

Originally posted by who?-kid
I've seen him throw a tank with ease.

So make up your mind, Either the stats you use matter, or Spidey has never thrown a tank. You can't have it both way.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I believe you are thinking of anything work by Garth Ennis

Them's fightin' words mister!

No it was shown, but I didn't think it was usually feasible and that depends on the tank.
But, there's some compromises to be had on wolvie's behalf.

Well "tank" is a harsh word. Most easily exceed 50 tons.

Yes I already agreed there, sheesh.

Originally posted by jinzin
<<<-"Spiderman is way more dextrous than wolverine could hope to be."->>>

again...how? he can jump higher and has good agility..that doesn't make him any more dexterious...(or graceful) wolverine can be just as.....

<<<-By stats his are superhuman,and wolverines are peak human, though wolverine would make the better chef.->>>

by stats marvel's finally acknowledged what we knew all along...that wolverine brings more to the battlefield than spidey despite his lack of ranged weaponry...hmmmmm 🙄

<<<-"Dexterity is balance, hand eye coordination, reflexes, equilibrium, and agility. Sure wolverine could fool people into thinking he was like spiderman, if he tried his hardest."->>>

ummmm 😕 if you had read the book...it's pretty damn clear wolverine isn't exactly going all out to impress the rubes....he's not exactly tried by the end of it either....

<<<-Spiderman hardly tries when he moves, he does it subconsciously, and the way he swings along new york flawleesly, takes great balance, coordination,and skill, it is as hard as you swinging on vines, but you have to make your own lines.->>>
no it's not....unless you make my bodyweight about 1/20th of my comparitive strength level....makes it quite a BIT easier huh?

<<<-Wolverine ran through the xmen in a sneak attack when he entered the ;mansion, cyclops has shown greater against the like of several xmen, there are too many wolverine could not defeat.->>>

but when spiderman fights a bunch of surprised and confused x-men who are trying to subdue him rather than hurt him that's so much more solid as evidence than wolverine's said feat? okay whatever....🙄
how about the time wolverine ran through hordes of superheroes in wolverine 136?

<<<-The best bios were the ones from the 80s IMO.It was Marvel just making sense of their chaarcters after a good 30 years and for the most part they were pretty good.In more recent times on the marvel site they have had a MORONIC set of stats that seemed assigned with a dartboard rather than any well written comic.They have had things like Mr.Fantastic being MORE agile than Spiderman and Apocalpyse ranking up there in stats with guys like Thor ->>>

wow......😱 we finally agree on something....though I do think that apocalypse could very easily compare to thor.

<<<-"Don't use simple stats you're making it look like woverine doesn't have a chance"->>>

funny how you guys only want to use the selective stats hat make spiderman look superior...when marvel's made a more comprehensive stats list that states wolverine's above spiderman on a battlefield....but hey let's alllll just disregard that for no other reason than the fact that it shows wolverine above spiderman....HE CAN'T BE! HE CAN'T BE!!!! lol.....(shakes head)
anyways......
<<<"Seriously, spiderman has way too many options, and they want wolverine to fight how it bests suits him,or go by inconsistencies inhis writing.'->>>
😂 hey like cresh already said..wolverine kicking spiderman's ass one on one is anything but inconsistant....

As far as Spider-man having more dexterity than Wolverine, he does have the flexibility of a contortionist despite being rediculously strong and was acredited for that flexibility in Marvel Universe. Regardless they are so close in total dexterity ( due to Wolverines experience ) that is only a miniscule advantage. The large advantage comes from the Spider-sense that does exist and Spider-man does USE in his TACTICS thus giving him great assistance in any given situation.

The stats are quite accurate but wouldn't apply in this fight because it's not a battlefield. ( A war ) It's a one on one fight.

I'll prove what I'm saying....

Wolverine has more experience fighting on a team and employing teamwork tactics...

Wolverine won't hesitate to kill an enemy....

Wolverine shrugs off lethal hits...

Wolverine doesn't have to eat or sleep....( I'm not sure about this one but I'm pretty sure he shouldn't need much of either)

Wolverines bones are indestructible...

Wolverine has indestructable claws and is very skilled at using these lethal weapons....

And Wolverine has tendency to go berserk making him pretty much unstoppable against hundreds of well armed humans.

Of course he brings more to a BATTLEFIELD! 😱

If this thread was about who's better suited for war I'd say Wolverine without a doubt...BUT...That's not what's on the table. 😎

And as far as Wolverine consistently winning against Spider-man.....cool.
Whatever happened, happened.

But let's not forget that they are both HEROES in the COMICS and that DOES make a difference as to the outcome of the fight.

By bringing the fight here and asking who would win without either having ANYTHING GIVEN OR TAKEN from them( key word is ANYTHING!!) we have already taken the characters out of 616 by changing thier personalities....Yes we want a fight where neither HERO acts HEROIC...( holding back and refraining from tactics that could POSSIBLY be lethal.)

That way neither side can call foul due to an UNFAIR advantage. The only advantages that would be accepted by supporters of either side would be ACTUAL advantages that are TRULY held by the character.

IMO Spider-man has the upper-hand in a ONE ON ONE with Wolverine because in order for him to NOT HAVE more ADVANTAGES as far as OPTIONS of securing a victory Wolverine has to have some sort of advantage GIVEN to him.

Like being able to turn webbing into liquid or fighting in a forest or a hallway.

I don't want Spidey to have unfair advantages either so I suggest that they fight anywhere except a metropolitan area.

I still think Spider-man has more options to explore than Wolverine and therefore wins.

Oh yeah... very good post Cordera and very good response J 😮‍💨

I agree with most of that, but I feel that Wolverine has the abilities of a human at their max potential, except regeneration, and that includes dexterity, and wolverine's skeleton is indeed capable of being broken, just darned near impossible.

Spiderman may not try as hard, but he has the potential to kill people faster than wolverine. Even out of a metro area, wolverine is at a disadvantage in the situation since spidey's more versatile, and can adhere to almost any suface.

Like nightcrawler, spiderman has what it takes to beat melee types like wolverine, with out coming close, or toughing the skeleton, whichi is a good advantage for wolverine, but not unstoppable.

MAGNIFICENT POST MISTER, i'd expect nothing less.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I agree with most of that, but I feel that Wolverine has the abilities of a human at their max potential, except regeneration, and that includes dexterity, and wolverine's skeleton is indeed capable of being broken, just darned near impossible.

Spiderman may not try as hard, but he has the potential to kill people faster than wolverine. Even out of a metro area, wolverine is at a disadvantage in the situation since spidey's more versatile, and can adhere to almost any suface.

Like nightcrawler, spiderman has what it takes to beat melee types like wolverine, with out coming close, or toughing the skeleton, whichi is a good advantage for wolverine, but not unstoppable.

MAGNIFICENT POST MISTER, i'd expect nothing less.

Thanks! 😮‍💨

But I hate it when the posts that I put the most thought in are at the bottom of a page cause sometimes it gets missed... oh well...