you miss the point all the time...just like the multiple times you kept going off on tangents in the spidey vs. bats thread cause you have trouble following trains of thought...I'm not trying to be offenseive but it's the damned truth...
logan doesn't heal before a blow takes place but he is able to take enough damage that it would kill a dozen or so men while continuing to fight sabretooth without stopping for a breather....if he's able to recover from multiple mortal wounds while at the same time contiuning to fight at inhuman speeds and actually beginning to hit harder and cut deeper during said fight....instead of slowing down...why would he be so incapacitated by a bruise?
Originally posted by jinzin
actually wolverine didn't lie about it being an accident and he wasn't jealous of spiderman's girl.....read the book and find out for yourself....he negated the webbing because he was pulling away from the wall as spiderman was attempting to web him to it...it's what I've been saying all along, spidey CAN web logan up, but wolverine's fast enough to get out of it before it sets...like superglue....it's a fair assumption...none of us are really sure how spiderman's new webbing works so why is this so easily discarded?in the graveyard fight, spiderman could barely stand by the end of it...again spiderman's not resistant to fatigue if he's going all out...which is what he'd have to be to keep wolvie back again..cause wolverine just keeps coming... so wolverine tackled him...
the stats in question are power levels based on abilties that the characters have in a fighting scenario....wolverine as a higher level than spidey. you're own reasoning for neglecting this is making your argument worse...if it had to do with ALLLLL the abilities these characters have spiderman can nullify his opponents powers by making gadgets with preptime...he can obviously outweigh wolverine here..however the stats in a fighting scenario have wolverine at an advantage not spidey...just accept it.
Seriously, your "just accept it" pretty much sums it up as far as Wolverine is concerned. The stats that are most important in a fight between Wolverine and Spider-man are all in Spider-mans favor and the specifics of the healing factor have ALWAYS been that Wolverine is NOT even close to being invincible. It can be overwhelmed ( According to Marvel) and he does NOT regenerate instantaneously ( According to Marvel) He is limited to enhanced physical abilities and Cap is almost as powerful as him, he is not almost Spider-man in ANY physical area WHATSOEVER. Just accept it.
He CAN be knocked senseless by Spider-man unless he has at least SOME superhuman level of SOMETHING!! He has none and has NEVER been acredited with having ANY!! Just accept it.
Spider-man is NOT holding back in this fight (because he's given the same bloodlust as Wolvy, something he never displays in the comics while staying composed) but you continuously try to weaken him (strengthwise) to the point where Wolverine can shrug off his blows!
Hell no, no way in the world Wolverine can shrug off Spidey's full force blows without sustaining grevious injuries that would take TIME to heal. I could really care less about the inconsistency in comic books but I'm surprised that some of the people that are supposed to be knowledgable about the characters repeatedly use examples that they are fully AWARE are inconsistent with the CHARACTERS GIVEN ABILITIES!!
Are you not aware of the fact that Wolverine's been noted for not being able to press a ton EVER since he was created!?? So when he bursts through webbing that had enough strength to sling him against a wall, you come up with some lame sh*t like the webbing wasn't set similar to Super Glue?? No, Wolverine is just the recipient of the most inconsistence in comic book history and some people that KNOW IT, LIKE IT!!
So what if you like it when Wolverine jumps forty feet straight up, saying that he could do it over and over when he's benching what Cap can bench RIGHT NOW (not back in the day) is just an example of you wishing that he was NOTED for being able to make a Superhuman leap like Spider-man and EVERYONE who can perform Superhuman abilities IS! Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me he's not NOTED for being ABLE to do MOST of what he does but EVERYONE ELSE IS!!
Wolverines ratings in the fury files are NOT based on how each individual in them stacks up to Spider-man!! Wolverine has indestructable bones, a healing factor, and IS superior to every HUMAN in hand 2 hand combat....I'd say that the rating is quite accurate UNLESS he's fighting someone who has the ability to bind him as easily as the punisher would shoot him...
He'd heal from getting shot buuuut.... He wouldn't be able to escape being bound and rendered immobile.
Just accept it. 😮💨
Originally posted by The MISTER
Seriously, your "just accept it" pretty much sums it up as far as Wolverine is concerned. The stats that are most important in a fight between Wolverine and Spider-man are all in Spider-mans favor and the specifics of the healing factor have ALWAYS been that Wolverine is NOT even close to being invincible. It can be overwhelmed ( According to Marvel) and he does NOT regenerate instantaneously ( According to Marvel) He is limited to enhanced physical abilities and Cap is almost as powerful as him, he is not almost Spider-man in ANY physical area WHATSOEVER. Just accept it.He CAN be knocked senseless by Spider-man unless he has at least SOME superhuman level of SOMETHING!! He has none and has NEVER been acredited with having ANY!! Just accept it.
Spider-man is NOT holding back in this fight (because he's given the same bloodlust as Wolvy, something he never displays in the comics while staying composed) but you continuously try to weaken him (strengthwise) to the point where Wolverine can shrug off his blows!
Hell no, no way in the world Wolverine can shrug off Spidey's full force blows without sustaining grevious injuries that would take TIME to heal. I could really care less about the inconsistency in comic books but I'm surprised that some of the people that are supposed to be knowledgable about the characters repeatedly use examples that they are fully AWARE are inconsistent with the CHARACTERS GIVEN ABILITIES!!
Are you not aware of the fact that Wolverine's been noted for not being able to press a ton EVER since he was created!?? So when he bursts through webbing that had enough strength to sling him against a wall, you come up with some lame sh*t like the webbing wasn't set similar to Super Glue?? No, Wolverine is just the recipient of the most inconsistence in comic book history and some people that KNOW IT, LIKE IT!!
So what if you like it when Wolverine jumps forty feet straight up, saying that he could do it over and over when he's benching what Cap can bench RIGHT NOW (not back in the day) is just an example of you wishing that he was NOTED for being able to make a Superhuman leap like Spider-man and EVERYONE who can perform Superhuman abilities IS! Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me he's not NOTED for being ABLE to do MOST of what he does but EVERYONE ELSE IS!!
Wolverines ratings in the fury files are NOT based on how each individual in them stacks up to Spider-man!! Wolverine has indestructable bones, a healing factor, and IS superior to every HUMAN in hand 2 hand combat....I'd say that the rating is quite accurate UNLESS he's fighting someone who has the ability to bind him as easily as the punisher would shoot him...
He'd heal from getting shot buuuut.... He wouldn't be able to escape being bound and rendered immobile.
Just accept it. 😮💨
right
<<<"Seriously, your "just accept it" pretty much sums it up as far as Wolverine is concerned. The stats that are most important in a fight between Wolverine and Spider-man are all in Spider-mans favor and the specifics of the healing factor have ALWAYS been that Wolverine is NOT even close to being invincible. It can be overwhelmed ( According to Marvel) and he does NOT regenerate instantaneously ( According to Marvel) He is limited to enhanced physical abilities and Cap is almost as powerful as him, he is not almost Spider-man in ANY physical area WHATSOEVER. Just accept it.">>>
actually he overtakes spidey in the durability and stamina stats....his stamina/endyrance will allow him to keep pace with spiderman's speed and after spidey fatigues...overtake that stat as well just like he did before.....spiderman's strength advantage is virtually a non factor...he's no hulk...he's not even rough-house so he can't knock wolverine out (in terms of consistancy). and he won't.....JUST LIKE BEFORE.....just accept THAT futhafuca...(lol, no offense, I just watched some richard prior stand-up)...spiderman has better agility and elasticity is all he has here that wolverine can't overtake...but the use of agility is relative to speed and stamina, once spidey tires his agility becomes much less impressive.....wolverine's healing factor CAN be overwhelmed...however spiderman does not have the raw power to do so through phyical brute force....you were clearly wrong here....just accept it....
<<<"He CAN be knocked senseless by Spider-man unless he has at least SOME superhuman level of SOMETHING!! He has none and has NEVER been acredited with having ANY!! Just accept it.">>>>
ACTUALLY...............he has superhuman amounts of stamina and durability....his mutant healing factor dictates this...and his stats back that up as well.....spiderman can hit him but getting in close puts spider man at extreme danger obviously......and while spiderman's super strength may be impressive to some...once again he's not even a second rate roug-house in the strength department so he's not taking logan down with brute force...you were wrong here too....i bet it's getting harder and harder to accept isn't it...🙂
<<<"Spider-man is NOT holding back in this fight (because he's given the same bloodlust as Wolvy, something he never displays in the comics while staying composed) but you continuously try to weaken him (strengthwise) to the point where Wolverine can shrug off his blows!">>>>
actually I don't have to weaken him whatsoever..spiderman was prepared to kill logan during the graveyard fight...he literally gave EVERYTHING he had and admitted it several times....logan held back and still stalemated him....obviously wolverine can shrug off his blows he's already done it 3 times....🙄 you are mistaken once again....
<<<"Hell no, no way in the world Wolverine can shrug off Spidey's full force blows without sustaining grevious injuries that would take TIME to heal.">>>
now you sound like you're in denial.....wolverine regularly sustains multiple mortal wounds from sabes in their fights..enough to kill over a dozen men before the fights even halfway over...yet he doesn't slow down, nor does he take a breather to heal...he just keeps going, hitting harder and cutting deeper. Spiderman's punches are no where near some of the levels of punches wolverine's literally just shrugged off....spiderman's strength does nothing for him here....you are wrong again...
<<<" I could really care less about the inconsistency in comic books">>>
then why are you here 😕 ?
<<<" I'm surprised that some of the people that are supposed to be knowledgable about the characters repeatedly use examples that they are fully AWARE are inconsistent with the CHARACTERS GIVEN ABILITIES!!">>>
such as yourself for instance....
<<<"Are you not aware of the fact that Wolverine's been noted for not being able to press a ton EVER since he was created!?? So when he bursts through webbing that had enough strength to sling him against a wall, you come up with some lame sh*t like the webbing wasn't set similar to Super Glue?? No, Wolverine is just the recipient of the most inconsistence in comic book history and some people that KNOW IT, LIKE IT!!">>>
I've never stated his strength to be over a ton in lifting capacity.....so tell me something...do you know fully how spiderman's organic webbing works? last time I checked spiderman wasn't even aware..via new avengers 5 issue...tell me, maybe you know something spiderman does not.... being organic it must be subject to inconsistancy...if you've ever worked out you know...your muscles have their good days and bad days...maybe this was a bad day for the webbing....
<<<<"So what if you like it when Wolverine jumps forty feet straight up, saying that he could do it over and over when he's benching what Cap can bench RIGHT NOW (not back in the day) is just an example of you wishing that he was NOTED for being able to make a Superhuman leap like Spider-man and EVERYONE who can perform Superhuman abilities IS!">>>
I don't have to wish for anything, the evidence was presented right in front of your face, whether or not you choose to accept it...(as obviously you cannot) is your problem not mine.....wolverine's proven himself to be able to jump well over what any peak human SHOULD be capible of....does that mean wolverine himself is bound to how you want him to be portrayed?....no....it simply means wolverine's no ordinary peak human as you calssify him as....tell me something else....what does gives one writer more credibility than the next? i suppose everyone who's ever written a stroy where wolverine's performed ahalfway impressive feat is not credible then?......why does your OPPINION of he situation take precidence over the marvel company? whatever your reasoning...I simply don't believe that it does....
<<<"Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me he's not NOTED for being ABLE to do MOST of what he does but EVERYONE ELSE IS!!">>>>
actually everyone else isn't...sabretooth for example....
<<<"Wolverines ratings in the fury files are NOT based on how each individual in them stacks up to Spider-man!! Wolverine has indestructable bones, a healing factor, and IS superior to every HUMAN in hand 2 hand combat....I'd say that the rating is quite accurate UNLESS he's fighting someone who has the ability to bind him as easily as the punisher would shoot him...">>>>
no..they are stacked up on how each individual stacks up to everyone else on the team....tell me why would files pertaining to secret war be superhuman vs. human (as that's what you assume they are) when the book is about superhero hordes vs. super villain hordes? could it be that you are wrong?......yet again? I'm inclined to believe so.... where does it say that the stats presented are in comparison with a human army or some such nonsense...
<<<<"He'd heal from getting shot buuuut.... He wouldn't be able to escape being bound and rendered immobile.">>>>
you mean like he HAS on any of a number of occasions.....hmmmm what was that about not knowing what certain characters are and are not capible of again....? 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
ummm don't worry...I don't take too much pride in my posts/replies..but I do believe that last one's what they refer to as.....ownage....
But I WILL prove that you are mistaken in your beliefs. 😮💨
And when did I ever say that I was reffering to the "new" Spider-man? I reffered to Wolverine's ability to negate powers and used the liquification and disentegration of the webbing as one example. I have stated before that I am referring to the "original" Spider-man and this thread probably started before his webbing went organic.
If you truly believe that Wolverine isn't written inconsistently not only in the rate of his healing factor, but in a lot of his other physical attributes then your love of the character is blinding you.
It keeps being said that those on the Spidey side keep taking the lowest examples of his healing factor. Conversely it could be said that those on the Wolverine side are constantly taking the highest examples of the healing factor. (For the record I'm not on either character's side, I'm arguing for Spiderman because in my opinion he would win more often than not. If I thought Wolverine would win I would do the same for Wolverine.)
Wolverine does not have in the traditional sense any superhuman durability to my knowledge. He has accelerated regenerative processes. These can be overloaded. Whether or not Wolverine's durability is greater than Spiderman's depends on how you view the healing factor. Overall imo it would be greater than Spiderman but that doesn't mean that it can prevent injury from occuring at all... he is not invvulnerable. His endurance is potentially higher than Spiderman's due to the healing factor rebalancing muscle pH to prevent fatigue... although this I'm not entirely convinced of. This does not give carte blanche to imply that because his durability is an advantage that Spiderman's strength (as well as a multitude of other advantages) is no longer a factor.
How do I know that Wolverine should not be able, again within the traditional definition of his character, get right back up from serious neural trauma? How bout common sense. By definition Wolverine's healing factor is by means of accelerated natural processes. (although if I'm wrong then correct me)
(It would do more than this but for argument's sake) A 10 ton hitter blunt force injury knocks someone into an unconscious coma for years. This is as opposed to clean bullet wounds that would take months to heal. One heals faster than the other in ordinary people. One would heal faster than the other in Wolverine.
The tissues of the brain are incredibly complex compared to the rest of the body, they must be repaired in specific ways to restore specific functions, memories, consciousness as opposed to skeletal/cardiac muscle, adipose tissues, epithelial tissues etc. Wolverine's healing processes are highly accelerated versions of the natural processes that occur. A punch from 100+ ton lifter, or even a 10 ton lifter would disrupt all synapes and general brain chemistry, cause lesions of the brain with various results, tissue atrophy, unconsciousness, coma and probably death.
Let's say Wolverine can heal from this however... it would still take time.
How fast is Wolverine's healing factor? Beast's is approximately 2 or 3 times faster than a normal humans if I recall correctly. But Wolverine's has never been defined (because it is often a useful plot device).
He heals instantaneously? He was strung up on a cross for ages by the Reavers until Jubilee of all people rescued him. I wonder why he didn't heal instantaneously then? I mean he takes punches from Hulk unfazed according to some. I know the Reavers royally f**ked him up but by the definition I've been hearing of the healing factor here he should have healed within an hour or so max, in fact he never should have even been captured at all. For a long time afterwards he had still not fully recovered.
If he does consistently leap 30 ft in the air (another unexplained ability beyond his capabilities as someone with only enhanced strength) then Spider-man clings 40 ft up on a wall. Lemme guess... now he can jump 40 ft up? No one seems to address the fact that Spiderman does not have to melee with Wolverine. That if he wants he can just stay out of Wolverine's reach and stalemate him or attack him from afar.
When you read the comics you suspend disbelief, logic and reason as to what a character can and cannot do within the capabilities of what the character should and should not be able to do. But if here in the forums we are merely supposed to accept that Wolverine jumps right back up from punches from the Hulk, then really what's the point? These arguments are becoming circular, those who are willing to be convinced by rationale to the opposite side have and those who aren't willing won't be convinced anyway.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Quite a good post j if I do say so myself...And though I am pressed for time.....I will rebut it and the well thought out lengthy one before that one....no offence could be taken man 😎 You are WORTHY competition. 😎But I WILL prove that you are mistaken in your beliefs. 😮💨
And when did I ever say that I was reffering to the "new" Spider-man? I reffered to Wolverine's ability to negate powers and used the liquification and disentegration of the webbing as one example. I have stated before that I am referring to the "original" Spider-man and this thread probably started before his webbing went organic.
i understand that...but the example of wolverine breaking out of spiderman's webbing that you used, came from organic webbing spidey....that was the "liquid" one you were reffering to while trying to make it out to be a bad example...(maybe that wasn't quite your intention but that's how it came off)....thus my response...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If you truly believe that Wolverine isn't written inconsistently not only in the rate of his healing factor, but in a lot of his other physical attributes then your love of the character is blinding you.It keeps being said that those on the Spidey side keep taking the lowest examples of his healing factor. Conversely it could be said that those on the Wolverine side are constantly taking the highest examples of the healing factor. (For the record I'm not on either character's side, I'm arguing for Spiderman because in my opinion he would win more often than not. If I thought Wolverine would win I would do the same for Wolverine.)
Wolverine does [b]not
have in the traditional sense any superhuman durability to my knowledge. He has accelerated regenerative processes. These can be overloaded. Whether or not Wolverine's durability is greater than Spiderman's depends on how you view the healing factor. Overall imo it would be greater than Spiderman but that doesn't mean that it can prevent injury from occuring at all... he is not invvulnerable. His endurance is potentially higher than Spiderman's due to the healing factor rebalancing muscle pH to prevent fatigue... although this I'm not entirely convinced of. This does not give carte blanche to imply that because his durability is an advantage that Spiderman's strength (as well as a multitude of other advantages) is no longer a factor.How do I know that Wolverine should not be able, again within the traditional definition of his character, get right back up from serious neural trauma? How bout common sense. By definition Wolverine's healing factor is by means of accelerated natural processes. (although if I'm wrong then correct me)
(It would do more than this but for argument's sake) A 10 ton hitter blunt force injury knocks someone into an unconscious coma for years. This is as opposed to clean bullet wounds that would take months to heal. One heals faster than the other in ordinary people. One would heal faster than the other in Wolverine.
The tissues of the brain are incredibly complex compared to the rest of the body, they must be repaired in specific ways to restore specific functions, memories, consciousness as opposed to skeletal/cardiac muscle, adipose tissues, epithelial tissues etc. Wolverine's healing processes are highly accelerated versions of the natural processes that occur. A punch from 100+ ton lifter, or even a 10 ton lifter would disrupt all synapes and general brain chemistry, cause lesions of the brain with various results, tissue atrophy, unconsciousness, coma and probably death.
Let's say Wolverine can heal from this however... it would still take time.
How fast is Wolverine's healing factor? Beast's is approximately 2 or 3 times faster than a normal humans if I recall correctly. But Wolverine's has never been defined (because it is often a useful plot device).
He heals instantaneously? He was strung up on a cross for ages by the Reavers until Jubilee of all people rescued him. I wonder why he didn't heal instantaneously then? I mean he takes punches from Hulk unfazed according to some. I know the Reavers royally f**ked him up but by the definition I've been hearing of the healing factor here he should have healed within an hour or so max, in fact he never should have even been captured at all. For a long time afterwards he had still not fully recovered.
If he does consistently leap 30 ft in the air (another unexplained ability beyond his capabilities as someone with only enhanced strength) then Spider-man clings 40 ft up on a wall. Lemme guess... now he can jump 40 ft up? No one seems to address the fact that Spiderman does not have to melee with Wolverine. That if he wants he can just stay out of Wolverine's reach and stalemate him or attack him from afar.
When you read the comics you suspend disbelief, logic and reason as to what a character can and cannot do within the capabilities of what the character should and should not be able to do. But if here in the forums we are merely supposed to accept that Wolverine jumps right back up from punches from the Hulk, then really what's the point? These arguments are becoming circular, those who are willing to be convinced by rationale to the opposite side have and those who aren't willing won't be convinced anyway. [/B]
I understand what you are saying but it's like taking away a power of a character...spiderman having superpowers doesn't makes sense logically...wolverine in the same token should be getting creamed by class 100+ punches but he doesn't...if we are going to slap on real world logic that directly negates what a character has proven themselves consiistantly capible of doing in a fantasy realm...then what's the point of debating these fights? we're not using the characters HOW WE HAVE COME TO KNOW THEM...we are debating someone else entirely....maybe they should make a comic books gripes board so everyone can complain about why a character should or shouldn't be able to do a feat according to real world logic...this place however isn't the place for it.....in any case I found your vs. bullethole example interesting considering that wolverine can heal from things in mere seconds that people can't recover from period....someone already pointed out that THAT being the case...perhaps it is that wolverine is suffering severe concussions but he's healing them so fast that it goes un-noticed...
Originally posted by jinzin
I understand what you are saying but it's like taking away a power of a character...spiderman having superpowers doesn't makes sense logically...wolverine in the same token should be getting creamed by class 100+ punches but he doesn't...if we are going to slap on real world logic that directly negates what a character has proven themselves consiistantly capible of doing in a fantasy realm...then what's the point of debating these fights? we're not using the characters HOW WE HAVE COME TO KNOW THEM...we are debating someone else entirely....maybe they should make a comic books gripes board so everyone can complain about why a character should or shouldn't be able to do a feat according to real world logic...this place however isn't the place for it.....in any case I found your vs. bullethole example interesting considering that wolverine can heal from things in mere seconds that people can't recover from period....someone already pointed out that THAT being the case...perhaps it is that wolverine is suffering severe concussions but he's healing them so fast that it goes un-noticed...
Well it's good that you at least took the time to read and understand what I was saying even if you don't agree with it 😄
Just for the record I meant logically within their abilities. Spiderman having superpowers is of course illogical. But Spiderman lifting a car when it's within his defined abilities is (comic book) logical. No one knows how fast the rate of healing is for Wolverine.. so it could be argued that his healing feats aren't illogical. It would be wrong to say that they aren't relatively inconsistent though.
Like I said though this debate is going round and round with no end in sight. The weight of opinion is roughly 6-7/10 to Spiderman in the poll (and though there's prolly fanboy bias votes on both sides) that's roughly what I think it would be around too. So I think I'm out of this one... for now 😏
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well it's good that you at least took the time to read and understand what I was saying even if you don't agree with it 😄Just for the record I meant logically within their abilities. Spiderman having superpowers is of course illogical. But Spiderman lifting a car when it's within his defined abilities is (comic book) logical. No one knows how fast the rate of healing is for Wolverine.. so it could be argued that his healing feats aren't illogical. It would be wrong to say that they aren't relatively inconsistent though.
Like I said though this debate is going round and round with no end in sight. The weight of opinion is roughly 6-7/10 to Spiderman in the poll (and though there's prolly fanboy bias votes on both sides) that's roughly what I think it would be around too. So I think I'm out of this one... for now 😏
I agree
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIt doesn't matter if they are inconsistant. What's the point of even mentioning that? Each and everyone of his encounters with spiderman have been 100% consistant.
Just for the record I meant logically within their abilities. Spiderman having superpowers is of course illogical. But Spiderman lifting a car when it's within his defined abilities is (comic book) logical. No one knows how fast the rate of healing is for Wolverine.. so it could be argued that his healing feats aren't illogical. It would be wrong to say that they aren't relatively inconsistent though.
What's the point of even mentioning that they're inconsistant unless you're either trying to completely write it off, or use it at the point YOU take it to be at a very weak point?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAd populem. Polls don't matter the slightest, Popular opinion does not aquaint to truth.
Like I said though this debate is going round and round with no end in sight. The weight of opinion is roughly 6-7/10 to Spiderman in the poll (and though there's prolly fanboy bias votes on both sides) that's roughly what I think it would be around too. So I think I'm out of this one... for now 😏
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI realize how strong his hitting wolverine as well. it's probably at least 1,000 pounds of force greater than Batman Wins thinks it is. Because that's with his speed factored in.
shut it, he lifts 15 tons, and the velocity includes the force, pity NOONE but me and x knows this.
Originally posted by jinzin
you miss the point all the time...just like the multiple times you kept going off on tangents in the spidey vs. bats thread cause you have trouble following trains of thought...I'm not trying to be offenseive but it's the damned truth...logan doesn't heal before a blow takes place but he is able to take enough damage that it would kill a dozen or so men while continuing to fight sabretooth without stopping for a breather....if he's able to recover from multiple mortal wounds while at the same time contiuning to fight at inhuman speeds and actually beginning to hit harder and cut deeper during said fight....instead of slowing down...why would he be so incapacitated by a bruise?
Well well well, you leave for a few hours of sleep and some animals overstep their boundaries.
Jinzin, you're always bitching "Why does everyone say my scans and opinions are biased?." Well its because THEY ARE!!! You do little else, but throw them up there and say, accept it. I don't accept things given to me you do little other than explain.
THAT and whenever some argument concerns one of your characters(wolverine for example), you go to all means, showing facts and inconsistencies to prove your points. Anyone worth their weight in salt, can see right through that crap.
You dont' want to see wolveirne lose because you like him too much. All you end up doing is putting up half assed reasons, to support your own character.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=316534&highlight=Carnage+vs+Wolverine
Like DigiMark and Long Pig said, you are waining to the dark side. You go at no ends to see wolveirne win. First I didn't pay it much attention, in the versus namor. But you go forth and do it against, carnage, and godzilla. In your fanboy world, everyone fights wolverine on his terms, and they lose, because of his god healing factor.
(expects lies of all kinds of shit, for him to save his face)
As I love to see you cater to the shitty notions of fanboys, whats worse is you cant' smell shit writing. Period, when it involves batman and wolverine at least. All I get from you and cresh is," it happened". Pfft, thats a shit argument, you have no way to support or explain your ridiculous claims, ever. Then you repeat them, wolveirne stalemated the hulk. If you believe that, you are farther from help than I EVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED.
On top of that, you don't mention things when it comes to the character you're arguing. Like how come it took 160 pages to finally admit Amazo was weakened when batman beat him? Your pics on that thread are so ridiculous, as they just discredit each other.
I loooooooooove how you guys only answer to points YOU THINK you can counter. Nice try, I see through that shit too, I asked you explicitly, if spiderman could keep out of wolverine's reach, then he could discard him, no different than superman could discard the hulk. It was ignored, you think I forgot?
Another thing, trains of thought, man please. ;I've been explaining proficiency types for the longest, and all I get is a bunch of half competent opponents who know jack about them. You can't explain them, because they are over your head. You tried to take what merc said and use it about cars doing less damage than martial artists hits. When I popped that , you finally realized it was a lesser collision.
Funny thing is, I've been smacking you around more and more since my arrival, I and OTHERS see that very well. You get backed up on a wall"best debators thread", and you spit more and more, and it really makes you sound like an ass. Most of your arguments on your side are," Marvel doesn't agree,pfft 🙄 ." Man that shit is old, tired, and lame. That convinces not me, my team, new people, or guests who read this board before they join, it makes YOU look like the ass.
I'm tired of ***** arguments to get around my points. "wolvie hater", no, I hate guys like you who go at no end to defend him.
OWNAGE 😆 , ownage you mean like in the batman spiderman thread, where I, and noone else started bringing in new elements like proficiencies, counter types, and damage by velocity to shut up your shitty notions of "batman is the better fighter", and since page 148, where there were a whole load of people who came on and agreed with every word i said, the thread MYSTERIOUSLY got less popular, and people started backing off. That thread? Even Wanderer doesn't come on that much, and he was the only one worth arguing. The only people there are a Warner brothers employee/DC fanboy, and a guy who wants to see spiderman lose(you). I argue for you and even water down my posts, as I see your lack of intelligence prevents you from answering a question, that thread? Yea I'm just playing with my food, as I see you and life are just arguing for the hell of it. I revived that thread foolishly by putting up pics, and it started over.
OWNAGE: this thread, the thread where anyone of decent reasoning can see that spiderman wins, EVEN 4 WOLVERINE FANBOYS!! This thread I had shut down for 6 days! The ONLY reason it came back up, is because I put that pic up of wolverine, and you started all over with yours. Too bad you can't reason what you put up, eh? This thread where, I convinced 4 people 2 days ago, while your sarcasm could not, and everyone mysteriously logged off and came back at 1am to start up, after i left. That friend is ownage.
Or how about that little thread SFvsMKvsKI. The one where you knew nothing of KI, and resorted to a poor argument which had nothing to do with the characters mentioned. Like AC said, your tendencies to irrelevancy is annoying. That thread, where I came on and shut it down, in three days. The last page was people telling me they tipped their hat to me, where were you?
How how about that thread I made just for me and you. Scorpion vs. Shin Gouki. The one where you foolishly tried to argue that Scorpion projectiles are better than the ones of a character that could destroy an island. How about that one? Where you started saying it was an attempt to " sock it to you" out of spite, because you had no argument. The one where you got to a no point, about is Akuma a sorcerer or not. Again like AC said your tendencies to be annoying are due to your irrelevancies. I DID find you annoying in that topic, and you did admit I was right, you just liked scorpion too much.
You think that swinging off of Cresh's balls will help because he is back, and I see more frequency and pride off of your posts now. Thats funny, because last i checked, a "pfft whatever", and rolleyes are hardly an argument, especially when one of you don't get around to answering a question. Following me in other threads to spite me just shows how much of a C-hater you are.
Don't worry, I won't make you look like an ass anymore, as I'll probably ignore your posts to this thread, seeing as they will all be lies to protect your ego, and keep you from looking like an ass.
Next time do a spell-check, but wait you are a C-hater, thats one of their qualities, they have the spelling of a third grader.
Just be sure to know who to send that fathers day card to, seeing as everyone knows who your daddy is.
Tell me, do you want that shirt in small or large?
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