Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
So you admit that I was right, but too full of yourself then, if wolverine was chasing spiderman, why would he run away then, and do it successfully on an instant? Trying to make it good for your wolvigod eh?

wolverine doesn't have to run away inn an instant he can cut through the webbing on the fall back and take cover...it's really not a complicated thought process...and no I admitted to nothing other than the fact that you're attempting to give spiderman every advantage of distance and location....I already explained why he would take cover...it's just the smart thing to do....do you think he's a complete idiot?........ obviously you must...... all this talk about spiderman on a wall......and something just occured to me....wolverine really has a much simpler option IF spiderman did get on that wall....just bring it down.....wolverine ran his claws along the wall of an enormous damn and was able to bring it down on top of hulk.....and that was with bone claws...all wolverine has to do is the same damn thing here and spiderman no longer has a wall to sit on.....lol.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Take cover, but how well would you do in getting away if I have a gun? The problem is you seem to think spiderman is a peak human, while wolverine is the superhuman, that says it all.

read the scenario again....i have a knife and bodyarmor...the bodyarmor will allow me the chance to fall back without serious injury....it gives me time....much like wolverine's claws give him a way to escape from the webbing....and I've never said spiderman's peak human and wolverine's super...that's your strawman argument....cause you can't truley debate nor deny my actual points without resorting to namecalling and PIS CIS....lol

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Too bad he's not fast enough, noones assuming he's taking it.

Your argument, wolveirne's just gonna dodge all of everything, shrug off all of the hits, and get a one stab on spiderman, pathetic.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Exactly, you just argued against yourself there, too bad spiderman is also faster, and you can't grasp logic too well. If you were to put a man in claws and give him a healing factor, vs a guy who can go BEYOND what a human does with ease, who would win.

well you ust missed the point...again....that being speed and strength are not everything....good thing you didn't address the tia chi example.....it's alright though cordera i understand I wouldn't want to try and counter my actual arguments if I were you either...they're obviously way over your head.....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If you think nothing plays a factor over wolverine, that shows how big of a fanboy you are, and it doesn;t surprise me that you think he beats namor, venom, and carnage.

so now you've come to making up my arguments for me, and calling me a fanboy at every chance you get.......and again.....I've already admitted multiple times that venom and carange can take wolvie...doesn't change the fact that like most battles...wolverine can win it in 1 decent hit....doesn't change the fact that venom on carnage are waaaaaay too prone to h2h combat for that to NOT be an option....still though I've already admitted that carnage and venom can take him....you're simply arguing for the sake of arguing...trying to discredit my opinion on these fights based on conclusions that I don't even have about OTHER IRRELEVANT fights.....it's quite sad really...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
And again, can a human simply win because of skill, skill doesn't make up for someone who outclasses him in every aspect, ask batman. unless you plan on beating up animals. You show time and time again that you use no logic at all, and i still must make you look like an ass.

you make me look like a damned genious the way you set yourself up to be torn down again...it's fun.....and ask batman? oh you mean like how batman brought down artemis...wonder womans fiercest and strongest amazon, a fighter who outclasses spiderman in every way in 4 panals?.....or how about when he took down a predator? or when he beat the carp out of scorpion in 3 panals? or laid the beatdown on carnage in a page? or KOed hulk in 3 pages? or made captain marvel reduce himself to cheating just to beat the bat? or when he outgrappled wonderwoman despite her strength because of his skill?......I'm using quite simple logic really......and here it is: wolverine's beat up spiderman or got the best of him 3 times....spiderman went all out in one of them, was attemting to "kick his ass" in another, and attacked him from behind in another....yet wolverine overcame his superhuman foe....hmmm wonder why....maybe it's because wolverine's overall more dangerous than spidey....."oh well look at these stats from the files of shield itself!" looks like marvel agrees with me....wolverine's got a better overall power level than spiderman, and he's had the better showings during their three direct comparisons/confrontations.......so i assume wolverine to win this.....yes....very illogical....🙄

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
DD and electra hit him fine, wolverine only goes as fast as he should, not as fast as you want to, and he's damned near more accuarate than a man at a machine gun. Wolverine gained superhuman speed.

wolverine's proved he's always been faster than an average human....i don't know which of those 20 odd some examples you missed out on but he has.....I guess that's PIS CIS too huh?...not so say that wolverine's spiderman in the speed department...but he's obviously fast enough to deal....spiderman: "he's fast....faster than me?...NO....NOBODY'S FASTER!"...he's clearly fast enough to make spiderman second guess himself....and DD and electra? aside from the fight where wolverine's mission was simply to keep matt buisy, or the time dd hit him while he wasn't ready....the only time there were no outside factors to help dd the fight ended by the second panal with dd in a full nelson...not exactly the best arguement you could come up with.....and the famous ELEKTRA vs. WOLVERINE....😂......yes...using wolverine at his worst and then trying to claim I'm doing the same for spiderman...hipocrite...I suppose wolverine's at his best ability when he's in a feral state, or when he's reovering from death? puh-lease!

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Thats where the long ranged comes in, logan doesn't have a choice in that, does everyone have to fight logan on your terms?

obviously wolverine DOES have a choice...he' got a few...I've already laid em out for you......does everyone have to fight spidey on yours?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Were they stronger and faster? Yes, the fact that you FAIL to acknowledge how easily logan can be webbed and subdued doesn;t surprise me, just like you want logan to fight were it suits his advangtage.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If logan gets hit by any webbing, he wont just keep moving, for him to stop makes him vurnerable to more? Oh I get it, he gets a time out for you right?

like spidey does to retreat on a wall.....lol...hipocrite...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
How did wolverine get his arm free, did he gain superhuman strength? Too bad you still like to believe whatever supports wolveirne.

Lets not also forget spiderman wasnt there, proving you like very selective arguments to wave in your favor.

selective.....cause spiderman webbing up wolverine in MTU wasn't selective at all....🙄

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
NO, becuase you do SHIT LITTLE to back them up, much lesss explain.

why do Ineed to explainsomeone elses writing?...even though I have...alot...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You've given me no reason as to why he is strong enough to get out.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You can't smell shit writing.

bad writing-subjective...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You seem to forget which ones are valid and not, making YOU shouldn't be able to use them.

and the one's spiderman fans say is valid, is and the one's that make spiderman look bad are not right?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Mister:" wolveirne beats carnage, because he knows he's crazy.

I've already explained myself and rectified myself in this assumption with multiple times where I admitted that I was wrong..the fact that you keep bringing it up over and over again just proves to me how your futile attempt at an argument HERE has become....you think vega can beat wolverine...where's the logic in that?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He beats thor and venom too huh? You are a fanboy, and what's worse, is that you read the stuff, and you still give biased arguments, your credibility is low.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Different, since his in that particular showing weren't in the same universe, and they went with his abilities.

it's not different at all..feats are feats..and you were using feats from a crossover despite telling me that crossovers are crap.....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You don't explain how wolverine should jump fifty feet in the air or nothing.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I explained how he would lose, too bad you can't grasp logan losing, fanboy.

you explained spiderman's faster and stronger....not really how he would win...unless you give him the benefit of the doubt...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Like K3vil, whobdamandog, whokid, and MISTER, and others said you are a fanboy underneath/\.

those other createns I don't care about one way or the other...but when did mister say that?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yep, and you seem to forget that logan is what a human can accomplish period. He isn't even twice as fast nor as strong as another peak human.

yes....cause I know SOOOOOO many humans that can do what wolverine can do...and HAS DONE for that matter....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spiderman creams DD, and taskmaster, thats fighting. Styles matters not its who wins. You still think batman is a better fighter, its proificency, not efficiency.

you missed the point again...you said no human could replicate his style...obviously that's not true......

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Can logan ko 5 people without touching the ground?

can spiderman fight and beat thousands upon thousands of ninjas in a single fight?................?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine boy: Oh wolverine's only SLIGHTLY slower and weaker and than spiderman.

pathetic....I never said wolverine's all that strong....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I can read fewer books than you, but you suck at analyzing them for your characters.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You still think wolverine's still unknockoutable.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
lol, and most of these people spiderman easily beat, thus its weakened, therefore proving my point.

again...missing the point.......all these guys hit spiderman despite his spidey sense...logan needs ONE good hit...and it's over....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It damned sure worked on hulk and others like titania, could wolverine beat her, no. How about venom, I shouldn't have asked you that, you always go by what you read.

hulk? 😂 "spiderman can reverse the gamma effect"
-how?
"he can"
-how?
"i already explained!!! it was in a book!"
-no one else has been able to do it...how can he?
what's that about going by what you read?

Is he a villan, yep. Eleckra caused wolveirne problems.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You still use spiderman at his weakest, and wolverine at his strongest. You want wolverine to ko namor and not flinch, and you want spiderman to get in grabs by kingpin, which it should be the opposite in both examples.

cause using wolverine vs. elektra FEATS is clearly when wolverine's at his strongest...oh wait...unless you actually read the books where it happened.....which you didn't thus you don't know HOW elektra gave him trouble....even tough I've explained that too several times....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Due to the amount of bitching in your posts,(90% of it by the way.) nOne of its that good of material, I'd say you are stilll bitter by the truth.

amount of bitching? you think wolverine's healing factor is PIS CIS....nuff said...

I'm not requoting all of that for a ***** contest, his healing factor is, because its ALWAYS used to the benefit of a writer, its a called a plot device, get over it.

The only thing you learned is the multiquote, good job, use it from now on, AND the spellcheck.

If you think that just because a char has 100 strength that they hit you all of the time with those strength of hits you're sorely mistaken, I've already busted you on WW, why, because you use no sense.

If I were to get hit by WW and survive, I wouldn't go hey I survived a class 100 hit! NO, aany hit that hard would send batman into the horizon, technique doesn't make up for an opponent who is way above you, period. You haven't torn down anything becuase you use feats with no logic, technique would not allow batman to simply outgrapple WW at her toughest strength, now you are just pulling straws, you are like lifeasaglich.

I already knew how to use the quote button I told you that...I'm just lazy most of the time....

you've busted me on nothing....in a grappling match despite her overwhelming strength batman had her in a submission hold.....obviously she wasn't going full strength...but she was still using more strength at her lowest level than spiderman's capible of exerting at his highest, it's just kind of a perc of being a character 2nd only to supes in strength (supposedly).....anyways...as for skill vs. speed and strength....IRON FIST KNOCKED HULKS ASS OUT....using his skill against the green goliaths superior speed and strength he out fought hulk and got the win....there goes that pathetic argument...

and another thing please at least attempt to follow trains of though no where in my post was wonder woman hitting bats in the face mentioned..though it does prove once again you simply can't keep up..

Originally posted by jinzin
I already knew how to use the quote button I told you that...I'm just lazy most of the time....

you've busted me on nothing....in a grappling match despite her overwhelming strength batman had her in a submission hold.....obviously she wasn't going full strength...but she was still using more strength at her lowest level than spiderman's capible of exerting at his highest, it's just kind of a perc of being a character 2nd only to supes in strength (supposedly).....anyways...as for skill vs. speed and strength....IRON FIST KNOCKED HULKS ASS OUT....using his skill against the green goliaths superior speed and strength he out fought hulk and got the win....there goes that pathetic argument...

and another thing please at least attempt to follow trains of though no where in my post was wonder woman hitting bats in the face mentioned..though it does prove once again you simply can't keep up..

How do you know that, was the strength mentioned? My point precisely, they aren't. You are assuming for your benefit, if they were hitting with that much force, than the ground beneath them would be gone if they were punching someone against it. 200,000 lbs is 100 tons my friend. Your assumptions are based on crap writing, not surprised.

If the velocity is included in that, than a character like batman would be PUDDING. A character like wolverine therefore getting hit by 30000 lbs of force, with a starting velocity of 400-500 mph for the first second, and shrugging it off is ILLOGICAL. Get accustomed to it.

Was hulk interested in his fights with wolverine where you mentioned, was he gray, was wolveirne souped up?

This is why I don't like listening to you, you always leave out parts of fights to help your arguments.

Like you said slicing a character doesn't need any strength, becuase of the toughness of the aformentioned instrument. If thats the case, wolverine can slice superman, right. If wolverine is this capable, thats fine, but he isn't.

As for skill vs. strength, no absolutley not. The ONLY way for skill to keep up with strength and speed THAT superior, is for them to have superhuman feats, take ryu for instance, I could see him working against spiderman in hand2hand, but not batman at all.

Unless you could beat up a polar bear.

Do you realize how hard it is and would be to fight someone 2x your strength? Try 3x or 4x, thats why they have weight classes and such, becuase the lighter classes may be technical, but a hit from a higher weight class, or grappling contest goes against their favor.

I use technique myself, and I couldn't beat someone 30 times stronger, faster, more agile, and had a means to detect, and had an instrument which moved faster and was stronger than I. In a match where spiderman even kicks it into half gear, than wolverine's shortcomings in physique would be realized, FAST. A 3x speed wolverine isn't half as fast as spiderman.

Anyways, you say Wolverine is invurnerable to spiderman's hits, or that he can recover more than what spiderman can give, give me AN EXPLANATION!! If he is so in PEAK conditioning, and only ACCELEREATES our process of healing, why should he not be down from spiderman's attacks? You realize you don't really explain, and just shove an imbalanced feat in there with wolverine at his strongest, or spiderman at his weakest, and say accept it? He can heal fast, but all of that force could knock him out, easy. If not in one hit, than many, Spiderman does attack faster than wolverine. ANd I'm not talking about skull hits, because we've already been over how the adamantium would be best avioded, AND how his lethal areas lie ELSEWHERE.
Even if he were to heal, if he were knocked out once, incapacitated, or tied he'd lose. We all heal, but if he heals faster that doesn't simply excuse him from a defeat.

This proves you can't comprehend even my watered down posts, so you use mockery and bitching therefore. Not often have you thrown anything that would make me want to put some decent effort into it, so you use that same old song.

I already told you to drop this before, but you insisted, and you aren't giving a fair or intelligent debate, your letting your opinion of me get to your arguments, its OBSCENELY obvious. Sticks out like a black eye.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm not requoting all of that for a ***** contest, his healing factor is, because its ALWAYS used to the benefit of a writer, its a called a plot device, get over it.

EVERYTHING is a plot device. All of spiderman's powers AND all of Wolverine's powers. They allow them to do things that normal huimans cant do for the sake of their stories.

Spiderman's spider sense alerts him to things so that he can react in a certain way for the story. Spiderman's strength and agility allow him to do things that also advance the story.

You'r not back to your "All literary work is Pis/cis" again are you?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean like Spiderman's webbing being both flame retardent AND electricly conductive for his Fantastic Foour fight?

EVERYTHING is a plot device. All of spiderman's powers AND all of Wolverine's powers. They allow them to do things that normal huimans cant do for the sake of their stories.

Spiderman's spider sense alerts him to things so that he can react in a certain way for the story. Spiderman's strength and agility allow him to do things that also advance the story.

You'r not back to your "All literary work is Pis/cis" again are you?

Not what I'm saying, look at it this way:

Deadpool got hulk on a phone pole to get some blood from him, by that alone we know a phone pole isn't enough to damage hulk, but is used to advanced the plot.

When they are used in an innacurate manner, they are then that.

IF you assume they are all pis/cis, thats all on you then.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Not what I'm saying, look at it this way:

Deadpool got hulk on a phone pole to get some blood from him, by that alone we know a phone pole isn't enough to damage hulk, but is used to advanced the plot.

When they are used in an innacurate manner, they are then that.

See that's where I've been making my mistake all along. Here I thought we were discussing Marvel characters that they own the copyrights to. When we were really discussing characters that YOU own the copyrights to.

My bad.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
IF you assume they are all pis/cis, thats all on you then.

Which includes ALL literary works.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh so it's up to YOU to determine when somethings being portrayed accuratly, and NOT Marvel.

See that's where I've been making my mistake all along. Here I thought we were discussing Marvel characters that they own the copyrights to. When we were really discussing characters that YOU own the copyrights to.

Okay, so then deadpool can stab hulk with a phonepole?

Logan can beat Iron Man?

Spiderman can beat firelord?

Keep it reasonable, now I know why you think that wolverine wins.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're the one that said that anything that's created for the plot is pis/cis writing.

Which includes ALL literary works.

NO, I said healing, because it changes from writer to writer, there's noone who can pinpoint it.

Stop the ***** tactics. Please.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Okay, so then deadpool can stab hulk with a phonepole?

Logan can beat Iron Man?

Spiderman can beat firelord?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
[BKeep it reasonable, now I know why you think that wolverine wins.[/b]

Only then would wolverine be able to tag him. It won't be soon, but it could still happen eventually.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
NO, I said healing, because it changes from writer to writer, there's noone who can pinpoint it.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Stop the ***** tactics. Please.

"Inconsistant!" "No explination!" "I'm going to go against something I said earlier because I need to to make a point!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
There are some times when they do something without thinking, but every comic does that

My point exactly, it is what has been used, feats he shouldn't be capable of, if you don't explain why should I agree.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because I think his healing factor will tide him over til the point where Spiderman starts to tire or make mistakes.

What would he be healing from, why would he tire, wolverine can't push him to the point of tiring.

Its like a old person tiring me out, and I'm in my best shape, of course I'm talking about my superiority in speed here, they couldn't push me to that point.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Only then would wolverine be able to tag him. It won't be soon, but it could still happen eventually.

The sun sets eventually, an explanation please.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So because we don't have the exact numbers for it we use it at it's weakest despite showing any sign of consistency against Spiderman?

I could understand where you are coming from, with an explanation, something so hard to get from some people.

I didn't go against anything, I just had to explain it better for you, and it isn't my first time saying it either, this infinite loop is just a time buyer, you and I know that.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
My point exactly, it is what has been used, feats he shouldn't be capable of, if you don't explain why should I agree.

A person gaining superpowers from radiation or birth is illogical. When logic is based on real world anatomy.

You have to suspend your disbelief to accept EITHER Spiderman or Wolverine.

Because BOTH of them are just as illogical.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
What would he be healing from, why would he tire, wolverine can't push him to the point of tiring.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Its like a old person tiring me out, and I'm in my best shape, of course I'm talking about my superiority in speed here, they couldn't push me to that point.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
The sun sets eventually, an explanation please.

Unless spiderman runsaway (and thus forfeiting according to the KMC rules) to sleep, he's going to tire before wolverine does. Because he will still be moving around.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I could understand where you are coming from, with an explanation, something so hard to get from some people.

Wolverine has a better healing factor. Something that factors into Stamina and endurence is how quickly you can recover. Healing factor versus fatigue.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I didn't go against anything, I just had to explain it better for you, and it isn't my first time saying it either, this infinite loop is just a time buyer, you and I know that.

Think about it, if a spider weighs 1 gram, 10x its weight would be 10 grams. However it would need to lift ~300x it's own weight to be what Spiderman gains. . that or spiderman would have to weigh a ton rather than the less than 200 pounds he weighs now. Or he should lift a bit more than half a ton.

But we suspend the disbelief and ignore what's logical. A spider doesn't lift 300 grams. Spiderman's ratio doesn't match a spider.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because there has to be a point of acceptability. Or else you shouldn't even bother reading comic books.

A person gaining superpowers from radiation or birth is illogical. When logic is based on real world anatomy.

You have to suspend your disbelief to accept EITHER Spiderman or Wolverine.

Because BOTH of them are just as illogical.

NO you are speaking of origin, I'm speaking of reasoning, if you are going to enter a debate, then why would you use an argument on a bad example?

Thats like bringing in an "F" paper for a study guide, doesn't make sense.

Logic and reasoning come in from what I'm given from the characters background. Why can't wolverine beat magneto? Because magneto controls what makes wolverine who he is, I could care less about origin, if you are talking on how he'd win, its not accurate to bring in feats what show him in a bad presentation, though its good reading material (sometimes) its bad evidence.

Originally posted by Creshosk
People tend to tire when they don't rest. Wolverine could go longer than Spiderman.

But he cannot push him to a point where he'd need resting.

Originally posted by Creshosk
so now you're refering to wolverine as "an old person" or did you forget that that "old person" would have a healing factor better than yours and would therefore not tire as qquickly as you?

I've already explained.

No I already knew you were going to this route, I'm speaking of an old person pushing me to exaustion, why would that person force me to my upper limit. Spiderman's lower ability is more than wolverine at his highest in speed.

Complained is what you did to mister.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless spiderman runsaway (and thus forfeiting according to the KMC rules) to sleep, he's going to tire before wolverine does. Because he will still be moving around.

[articularly when you don't listen to them.

Why would he be running away? Dodging made spiderman famous, complain is what you did to mister's post.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine has a better healing factor. Something that factors into Stamina and endurence is how quickly you can recover. Healing factor versus fatigue.

but he isn't 1/3 as fast or as supple in movement as spiderman, fights don't last long, and wolverine wouldn't push spidermn to fatigue.

[QUOTE=4466929]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Yeah, I realize that you're calling wolverine's healing factor BS. I don't agree with you because its illogical to call one fictional power BS and not all the others, including the "supposedly from a spider, but the math is off so it really couldn't be from a spider" strength.

Think about it, if a spider weighs 1 gram, 10x its weight would be 10 grams. However it would need to lift ~300x it's own weight to be what Spiderman gains. . that or spiderman would have to weigh a ton rather than the less than 200 pounds he weighs now. Or he should lift a bit more than half a ton.

But we suspend the disbelief and ignore what's logical. A spider doesn't lift 300 grams. Spiderman's ratio doesn't match a spider.

Nope, not at all. I'm calling it PIs, because its changed SO inconsistently to match the writers needs.

Spiderman was a ten ton lifter. When he was brought up to 15, it was listed, and he still doesn't lift that much more.

Even less popular abilities like organic webbing are noted.

Where's the pinpoint on logans healing factor?

There is none, which is why this debate has gone on so long, its logan will shrug off everything spiderman has, and stab him once, that doesn't warrant a 7/10 or any of that, spiderman is well capable of dodging that.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
NO you are speaking of origin,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm speaking of reasoning, if you are going to enter a debate, then why would you use an argument on a bad example?

Firelord is not wolverine, Namor is not spiderman.
What Wolverine did against namor, he did not do against spiderman.
What spiderman did against Firelord, he did not do against wolverine.

Firelord and namor both don't factor into this debate. So why keep bringing them up?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Thats like bringing in an "F" paper for a study guide, doesn't make sense.

Unless you are studying it to see what you did wrong.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Logic and reasoning come in from what I'm given from the characters background.

They are illogical.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Why can't wolverine beat magneto? Because magneto controls what makes wolverine who he is, I could care less about origin,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
if you are talking on how he'd win, its not accurate to bring in feats what show him in a bad presentation,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
though its good reading material (sometimes) its bad evidence.

There are so manty falws in that argument, but first and formeost is it has NOTHING to do with Wolverine versus Spiderman.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
But he cannot push him to a point where he'd need resting.

A person who just watches TV, exerts no physical activity. Does this mean they will NEVER tire?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I've already explained.

No I already knew you were going to this route, I'm speaking of an old person pushing me to exaustion, why would that person force me to my upper limit. Spiderman's lower ability is more than wolverine at his highest in speed.

Complained is what you did to mister.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Why would he be running away?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Dodging made spiderman famous, complain is what you did to mister's post.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Nope, not at all. I'm calling it PIs, because its changed SO inconsistently to match the writers needs.

There you go again. "IT's something that's there for the wrtiter's needs, so it's PIS/CIS."

Is an attack on ALL literary works. Harrypotter for example. The mirror of Erised is a major plot device, you can tell that simply by the fact that its just the word "desire" backwards. Btu I guess that makes it and the book it's in Pis/cis . . . a bestselling peice of crap that was turned into a movie and started a franchise that's made millions?

You don't see the error there?

Or how about in the hitchhiker's guide, that babelfish that translates alien languages? That's just a plot device too. . .guess that means that the hitchhikers guide is Pis/cis too. . .

You see the flaw in your reasoning yet?

How about having a radioactive spider, or a gene that doesn't really exist? those are plot devices.

Anything reed richards invents to combat the foes of the FF is a plot device. . .

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spiderman was a ten ton lifter. When he was brought up to 15, it was listed, and he still doesn't lift that much more.

Even less popular abilities like organic webbing are noted.

Where's the pinpoint on logans healing factor?

There is none, which is why this debate has gone on so long, its logan will shrug off everything spiderman has, and stab him once, that doesn't warrant a 7/10 or any of that, spiderman is well capable of dodging that.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm talking about accepting illogical things is an inherient requirement to enjoying comics books. If you can't accept the absurd then you shouldn't accept these characters at all, because their origin's ARE absurd.

Why would you use examples irrelevent to the discussion?

And like I said, there is a difference between ENTERTAINMENT and ACCURACY, entertainment is far from accurate, if you enjoy comics, fine, as do I. If you are in an intelligent hypothetical debate, you have to discern what does and doesn't make sense, in terms of what is given to them.

It isn't irrelevant, if magneto has that ability, sound reasoning would say he has no problems winning, even from a difference.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Firelord is not wolverine, Namor is not spiderman.
What Wolverine did against namor, he did not do against spiderman.
What spiderman did against Firelord, he did not do against wolverine.

Firelord and namor both don't factor into this debate. So why keep bringing them up?

To show an example to those which isn't clear, the wolverine and spiderman don't have to be the only ones mentioned, no different to when jinzin says wolverine can take hits from the hulk, on that part i agree, its all bs.

I want an EXPLANATION on why they would win with what is given to them, without absurd examples, not a specualtion essay.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless you are studying it to see what you did wrong.

Why are their backgrounds exempt?

They are illogical.

Would you bring an "F" paper into class and begin using it as proof, for what you are teaching and trying to say.

Not logic on events occured, but logic on reasoning, and deducing. If spiderman can lift 15 tons, would you be confused if he lifted a mountain.

Originally posted by Creshosk
But his origin is part of what makes him who he is. It's what gave him his adamantium that magneto uses to defeat him.

It's not accurate to bring in anything that is irrealevant to the fight.

You brought it in there this time.

But that matters not on how wolverine would lose, its the fact that he can do so.

Take the characters out of their background and present them to you.

Char.A has the ability to teleport, Char.B can only punch.

Would you bet your money on Char. A or Char B, and why, with what they've been shown to do.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like anything else that doesn't pertain to the fight. Like if we start saying: "Well Wolverine and Jubilee were a team for awhile, and there was a romantic attraction between Jubilee and robin, so therefore Wolverine and Batman should get together."

There are so manty falws in that argument, but first and formeost is it has NOTHING to do with Wolverine versus Spiderman.

Spiderman being able to do his feats consistently does, wolverine taking hits from xxxx do not, I agree somewhat.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sure he can, simply by keeping him awake, and fighting against him.

Originally posted by Creshosk
A person who just watches TV, exerts no physical activity. Does this mean they will NEVER tire?

They will tire, thats towards infinity, all tire, but a person in shape has a higher chance of keeping the out of shape one away and at bay,just fine.

If I jog everyday, and a person doesn't, who will force who to tire first?

Put in SUPERHUMAN ability to, and that person has little chance to wear the superhuman character to the point of exhaustion.

Originally posted by Creshosk
so you mean to tell me someone who recovers quicker will tire faster than someone who doesn't recover as quickly?

To sleep. To recover after being awake for days on end.

Misunderstanding is what you and Mister have both done.

No you are misunderstanding me, I'm not talking about the healing factor, I'm talking about logans inferior physicality, making him unequipped to push spiderman to his top limits, at all.

Originally posted by Creshosk
There you go again. "IT's something that's there for the wrtiter's needs, so it's PIS/CIS."

Is an attack on ALL literary works. Harrypotter for example. The mirror of Erised is a major plot device, you can tell that simply by the fact that its just the word "desire" backwards. Btu I guess that makes it and the book it's in Pis/cis . . . a bestselling peice of crap that was turned into a movie and started a franchise that's made millions?

I'm talking about entertainment, vs accuracy consistency.

If a person has a feat that they should be insufficient for, why would it be used.

The healing factor HAS NEVER BEEN PINPOINTED, so if it could, this topic would be easier to argue, correct.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Or how about in the hitchhiker's guide, that babelfish that translates alien languages? That's just a plot device too. . .guess that means that the hitchhikers guide is Pis/cis too. . .

If these are withing their abilities, then yes its fine. If its unstable and goes against what the character is sufficient for its not.

Again can spiderman beat firelord, you understand that?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless he's tired, and is making mistakes. Wolverine is no slouch when it comes to speed. He gives spiderman a run for his money, which is why Wolverine has diodged spiderman's attacks and was fast enough to convicne spiderman that if Spiderman let up for a second Wolverine would kill him.

A somewhat explanation.

Wolverine is no slouch true, but he only goes as fast as the fastest human goes, which is right around cap.

Spiderman is MUCH faster than wolverine x3 in speed, so he couldn't give a spiderman who is in half gear any troubles.

You are seeing friendly neightborhood, spiderman.

In another match wolverine was begging peter to stop hitting him, he was downplayed. thats the only basis for argument that graveyard.

If spiderman can lift 30000, and the starting velocity for an attack is 400-500mph( the first second), (the stronger the muscle the faster it moves, peter is a lightweight). Why then was the tombstone not broken?

Why did peter go in close, as you see logan was unable to defent, and even said spiderman could break his neck.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
And like I said, there is a difference between ENTERTAINMENT and ACCURACY, entertainment is far from accurate, if you enjoy comics, fine, as do I. If you are in an intelligent hypothetical debate, you have to discern what does and doesn't make sense, in terms of what is given to them.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It isn't irrelevant, if magneto has that ability, sound reasoning would say he has no problems winning, even from a difference.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
To show an example to those which isn't clear, the wolverine and spiderman don't have to be the only ones mentioned, no different to when jinzin says wolverine can take hits from the hulk, on that part i agree, its all bs.

Wolverine has been tagged by weak opponents.
Spiderman has been tagged by weak opponents.
Wolverine has gone up against the hulk.
Spiderman has gone up against the hulk.
Wolverine withstood a punch from namor without moving.
Spiderman knocked out firelord.
Wolverine has taken days to recover from an injury.
Spiderman has been hit by a lightly lobbed bomb.
Wolverine heals instantly each time he pops his claws out.
Spiderman has dodged attacks before they even start.

Gee. . . from that list of feats. . . I'd say both characters are fairly inconsistant . . .

So should we use them at their worst showings?
Wolverine took days to heal, and spiderman was tagged by street level thugs.
How about their best with bone claw wolvie stabbing Thanos, and Spiderman knocking out firelord. . .

I'd like an explination as to why you overlook spiderman's inconsistencies but nitpick on wolverines.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I want an EXPLANATION on why they would win with what is given to them, without absurd examples, not a specualtion essay.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Would you bring an "F" paper into class and begin using it as proof, for what you are teaching and trying to say.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Not logic on events occured, but logic on reasoning, and deducing. If spiderman can lift 15 tons, would you be confused if he lifted a mountain.

But as you said yourself, we don't really know where the pinpoint is on wolvie's healing, we don't know it's limits and what it's capable of. So its harder to say what is outside of its limits.

IT's like the difference between the numbers 15 and X. X could be greater than 15, but it could also be less than. Depending on how it's used.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You brought it in there this time.

But that matters not on how wolverine would lose, its the fact that he can do so.

Take the characters out of their background and present them to you.

Char.A has the ability to teleport, Char.B can only punch.

Would you bet your money on Char. A or Char B, and why, with what they've been shown to do.

Char A loses in both of those.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spiderman being able to do his feats consistently does, wolverine taking hits from xxxx do not, I agree somewhat.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
They will tire, thats towards infinity, all tire, but a person in shape has a higher chance of keeping the out of shape one away and at bay,just fine.

So now they both have infinite stamina? I didn't see "infinite stamina" listed as to a property of spiderman.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If I jog everyday, and a person doesn't, who will force who to tire first?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Put in SUPERHUMAN ability to, and that person has little chance to wear the superhuman character to the point of exhaustion.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No you are misunderstanding me, I'm not talking about the healing factor, I'm talking about logans inferior physicality, making him unequipped to push spiderman to his top limits, at all.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm talking about entertainment, vs accuracy consistency.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If a person has a feat that they should be insufficient for, why would it be used.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
The healing factor HAS NEVER BEEN PINPOINTED, so if it could, this topic would be easier to argue, correct.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If these are withing their abilities, then yes its fine. If its unstable and goes against what the character is sufficient for its not.

I guess that means that Hithikers guide is PIS/CIS with it's movie, television series, radio seires. etc. etc. .

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Again can spiderman beat firelord, you understand that?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
A somewhat explanation.

2+X=4

What's X?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine is no slouch true, but he only goes as fast as the fastest human goes, which is right around cap.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spiderman is MUCH faster than wolverine x3 in speed, so he couldn't give a spiderman who is in half gear any troubles.

"I can't let him up for a second, he'll kill me!"

Sounds like marvel think's wolvie's fast enough to give spidey some troubles. . .

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You are seeing friendly neightborhood, spiderman.

In another match wolverine was begging peter to stop hitting him, he was downplayed. thats the only basis for argument that graveyard.

"I know I deserve this, but this kinda hurts" is begging for his life?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If spiderman can lift 30000, and the starting velocity for an attack is 400-500mph( the first second), (the stronger the muscle the faster it moves, peter is a lightweight). Why then was the tombstone not broken?

The tombstone did break after Wolverine's head hit it.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Why did peter go in close, as you see logan was unable to defent, and even said spiderman could break his neck.

Wolverine also could have killed spiderman from that first punch to the face, had his claws been out.

But Wolverine chose not to. So wolverine didn't want to kill spiderman. I guess that means that Wolverine respected spiderman at that point.

So to save his ego he lied so it would have been a draw. rather than forcing Spiderman to surrender.

I'm not quoting all of that again, but I'm damned sure I just said that inconsistencies be ignored, firelord etc. Problem is peter isn't as inconsistent as wolverine, and really hasn't sold himself out yet( and may be the only one).

As for filling in the blank, thats not an explanation, thats me arguing for you.

Spiderman could've broken lots of necks who'se to say he couldn't?

Neck isn't like the arm or leg, its a bunch of sliding PLATES. Indestructable doens't change they can't be moved.

As for the ego

"OUCH!! god that hurts!!!!"

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm not quoting all of that again, but I'm damned sure I just said that inconsistencies be ignored, firelord etc. Problem is peter isn't as inconsistent as wolverine, and really hasn't sold himself out yet( and may be the only one).

As for filling in the blank, thats not an explanation, thats me arguing for you.

Because if I had to tell you that X=2 in 2+X=4, then that doesn't speak very highly of your ability to interprete and proccess data.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spiderman could've broken lots of necks who'se to say he couldn't?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Neck isn't like the arm or leg, its a bunch of sliding PLATES. Indestructable doens't change they can't be moved.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
As for the ego

"OUCH!! god that hurts!!!!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, that's you figureing out what is meant, rather than simply what is said.

Because if I had to tell you that X=2 in 2+X=4, then that doesn't speak very highly of your ability to interprete and proccess data.

Thats not alot on a match with a much higher volume of factors, and speaking of which, that can be an opinoin as well.

If you are going to say this is what happen and I'm right, than why post.

You can be right, but if you don't explain it, it doesn't matter to us, particualarly when we disagree.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean spiderman can break alot of adamantium necks?

Necks are plates, they slide too, I'm not talking about severing.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup, And Spiderman did move Wolverine's neck around with a rather loud "Krak!" . . and wolverine didn't die. . . So, wolverine lied. Comic book characters can lie, and they can be wrong.

REad previous, comics are inaccurate too, which represent the chars.

You dont die from a broken neck, not always, and not wolverine.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm curious, why do you say that from time to time?

Where he was begging peter to stop hitting him, wolverine takes those hits, and the most effective aren't on the adamantium, his healing factor isn't invurnerability.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Thats not alot on a match with a much higher volume of factors, and speaking of which, that can be an opinoin as well.

If you are going to say this is what happen and I'm right, than why post.

You can be right, but if you don't explain it, it doesn't matter to us, particualarly when we disagree.

Spiderman doesn't break his bones when punching brick walls with the force that he hits them. No explination as to why, well it must be given as to part of his power.

highlighted in red is just accepting something with out an explination.

Like why that spiderbite altered his DNA resulting in superpowers instead of death. We have NO explination, that's just the way it is, you just have to accept it. As I have.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You dont die from a broken neck, not always, and not wolverine.

Maybe because he respected Spiderman and wanted to end the fight in a draw to save Spiderman's ego from being hurt?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Where he was begging peter to stop hitting him, wolverine takes those hits, and the most effective aren't on the adamantium, his healing factor isn't invurnerability.

I must be begging for my life whenever I get a sliver or stub my toe, or accidently hit my head on something. . . Or you know, he's just saying that it hurts . . .