Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSo someone hitting you in the head doesn't hurt?
He's saying it hurts, but its a hit to the HEAD. Nerve endings are not the same there, and you would feel little with punches, as opposed to the nipples in a titty twister or something. 😉
Cause I know it hurts when I get hit in the head. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
So someone hitting you in the head doesn't hurt?Cause I know it hurts when I get hit in the head. . .
Critical points are different than nerve points.
Nerve points are used to subdue without causing extensive or permenant damage.(pressing under the nose, or ear)
Critical points can be fatal, but may not hurt( the temple)
If I were to step on a dirt plower rake and it were to hit me in the temple, I would bite my teeth(head trauma causes superhuman bites). I wouldn't feel much.
When I was growing my hair out and getting it braided, it hurt a hella lot more. Why? Because to twist the braids, you are triggering and twisting many, many nerve endings in bunches.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSo your'e saying getting hit in the head by spiderman shouldn't hurt?
Critical points are different than nerve points.Nerve points are used to subdue without causing extensive or permenant damage.(pressing under the nose, or ear)
Critical points can be fatal, but may not hurt( the temple)
If I were to step on a dirt plower rake and it were to hit me in the temple, I would bite my teeth(head trauma causes superhuman bites). I wouldn't feel much.
When I was growing my hair out and getting it braided, it hurt a hella lot more. Why? Because to twist the braids, you are triggering and twisting many, many nerve endings in bunches.
a trained fighter knows about these points alot better than an untrained one. A trained fighter is making the most out of the resources they have.
That's why I say that with Martial arts training Spiderman could probably surpass the level he's at. He hasn't needed to so that's probably why he hasn't as of yet.
I mean why learn to hit more effectively if you already do massive damage as a default?
Originally posted by Creshosk
So your'e saying getting hit in the head by spiderman shouldn't hurt?a trained fighter knows about these points alot better than an untrained one. A trained fighter is making the most out of the resources they have.
That's why I say that with Martial arts training Spiderman could probably surpass the level he's at. He hasn't needed to so that's probably why he hasn't as of yet.
I mean why learn to hit more effectively if you already do massive damage as a default?
No, but if it did hurt, it was a hella of a hit. Stronger metal doesn't mean better protection, it actually causes the host to move more(brain).
Thats also why I've been saying about proificiency and such, spiderman would be so much better knowing lethal hits more, and he does know some.
Its not the styles, spidermans style incorporates moves that other humans can't do, his takes advantage of all of his powers, thats what I'm getting at.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWell it was Spiderman hitting him.
No, but if it did hurt, it was a hella of a hit. Stronger metal doesn't mean better protection, it actually causes the host to move more(brain).
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd that's what I've been saying in the batman thread, and about how Spiderman isn't THAT much faster than wolverine.
Thats also why I've been saying about proificiency and such, spiderman would be so much better knowing lethal hits more, and he does know some.
Wolverine has the training so he moves faster than normal.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBut does it take complete advantage of it?
Its not the styles, spidermans style incorporates moves that other humans can't do, his takes advantage of all of his powers, thats what I'm getting at.
Could you imagine what he could do with more speed and focused strength?
Spiderman has alot of potential to be so much more effective.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well it was Spiderman hitting him.And that's what I've been saying in the batman thread, and about how Spiderman isn't THAT much faster than wolverine.
But he is. Wolverine is a fast attacker, but at the rate of a peak human, spiderman is insanely faster, with better reflexes, spiderman hardly tries, wolverine tries more, but not at his best all of the time.
we all know spiderman farts around in his matches.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine has the training so he moves faster than normal.But does it take complete advantage of it?
He moves at around the fastest of the speed that a person would allow, and a little. If anything the adamantium slows him down, but strengthens him.
This by no means warrants him as fast as a superhuman, that initially moves 15x, and can go 40x at MAX.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Could you imagine what he could do with more speed and focused strength?Spiderman has alot of potential to be so much more effective.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellUntil it becomes more serious because he underestimated wolverine, trhan either fear or anger take over and he starts figthing h2h moreoften than not. . .
But he is. Wolverine is a fast attacker, but at the rate of a peak human, spiderman is insanely faster, with better reflexes, spiderman hardly tries, wolverine tries more, but not at his best all of the time.we all know spiderman farts around in his matches.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd he's still fast enough to put the fear in spiderman. . .or anger. . .
He moves at around the fastest of the speed that a person would allow, and a little. If anything the adamantium slows him down, but strengthens him.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSpiderman was listed as being 15x faster than an average human. Average being the keyword there. Wolverine isn't average human speed. So Spiderman isn't 15x faster than Wolverine.
This by no means warrants him as fast as a superhuman, that initially moves 15x, and can go 40x at MAX.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellUnless he's panicing. or PO'd. . .
Agreed, but he's still one of the best strategists, (quick thinking) of marvel.
He was also taking it to wolverine in another, think outside that match.
I understand he isn't 15 times faster than wolverine, but the fastest people would be lucky to be 2x faster or have 2x better reflexes. He's still MUCH faster than wolverine, in high gear, wolverine's speed disadvantage would become apparent, explain why it wouldn't.
Fear and anger would drive adrenaline, which would only UP those abilities, we've been over this 80 pages ago.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWhich one are you talking about?
He was also taking it to wolverine in another, think outside that match.
Cemetary - anger turned to fear
Rooftop - Anger
Trainging room - Anger
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWOlverine is still fast enough to evade some blows and land some shots when spiderman makes a mistake. . .Which is why I sauy that when Spiderman starts to tire Wolverine's preformance will improve.
I understand he isn't 15 times faster than wolverine, but the fastest people would be lucky to be 2x faster or have 2x better reflexes. He's still MUCH faster than wolverine, in high gear, wolverine's speed disadvantage would become apparent, explain why it wouldn't.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd they also tend to lean into a more of a "fight or flight" defensive mechinism. where you are really thinking about what you're doing. I know because I have a problem with processing adreniline properly.
Fear and anger would drive adrenaline, which would only UP those abilities, we've been over this 80 pages ago.
Agreed on the last part.
Yes, wolverine can indeed charge and dodge just fine from spiderman, to his training. Otherwise he wouldn't be fairing to well against a bloodlust spiderman in terms of dodging.
Spiderman is FAR superior the dodger though. Throughout his career he has dodged and dodged and dodged, becuase he is better equipped for dodging. He can sense the attack, that and a limber body, with greater speed, and reflexes, can even create the illusion of a blur.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI'm not saying Wolverine is faster. I'm saying he's fast enough to give spiderman problems.
Agreed on the last part.Yes, wolverine can indeed charge and dodge just fine from spiderman, to his training. Otherwise he wouldn't be fairing to well against a bloodlust spiderman in terms of dodging.
Spiderman is FAR superior the dodger though. Throughout his career he has dodged and dodged and dodged, becuase he is better equipped for dodging. He can sense the attack, that and a limber body, with greater speed, and reflexes, can even create the illusion of a blur.
And can thus outlast Spiderman. And that's how he wins.
It's probably his only real option. but it's a hell of an option if it beats spiderman.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellOn Wolverine? Probably.
Definitely, I understand what your are going for, but he isn't fast enogh to give spiderman problems in high gear, if he wanted to spiderman could outspeed a car.Do you think what you just said warrants enough of a chance for you to bet on him in a match, just curious?
I'm not sure of the number, but they are pretty high in wolverine's favor since Spiderman's favor is circumstantial.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI don't really think that wolverine's is circumstatial so much.
I feel wolverine's is more circumstancial, imo, because it mostly depends on what he can do with a inferior physique for the means on which he is doing it.This was a great discussion today though...
Outlast and hit spiderman when he gets tired or makes a mistake. Really doesn't depend on factors that change. Since it's not depending on the environment, and just stats.
Oh I agree it was a great discussion.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYes, we know that Spiderman is more dexterous.
Spiderman could go to the olympics and without trying, do EXCELLENT.Wolveirne would just barely win, he has the physicality, but he needs to put effort into unlike spiderman.
But remember stats are weighted, sort of like in a fighting game. Durability is a pretty major stat.
Because it doesn't matter what the other person has if they can't really do anything to the other person.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellDon't see that as happening without circumstances.
Oh no, speed is better.Whilst spiderman couldn't do it in one punch he still has more options to kill,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellDon't see that as happening without circumstances.
incapacitate,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellDon't see that as happening without circumstances.
and web up wolverine,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellCircumstantial.
thats why I would bet on him.
Speed is meaning less if it doesn't do anything.