Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Creshosk
Dumbass, That's EXACTLY what it applies to.

Appealing to the opinion of the populous to prove an argument is what ad populem is.

"The poll says XX will win, therefore XX wins." IS the simplest form of ad populem.

And that is what can be shown in debate.

You are a naive , sad sad little man. Completely naive if you don't think that people, simple human nature, might compel a person to vote multpile times under different accounts.

I tried not to insult you... But you had to come back at me....
Its quite obvious you don't understand the words your trying to use.
So I'll wiki whore..(as is the trend around here 😉)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Notice Exceptions...

Arguments that can't be proved one way or the other obviously can't fall into the trap of 'ad populem' as nether side can be shown to be the side not falling on blind faith... Think about it cresh.. Come back when your done... I don't mind waiting along time either...

I don't like to point the finger at people for lame tactics; like socking to deceive the vote. Mainly cause if there points were soo concrete they wouldn't have to go to those lengths to secure a "win", and if they are socking there probably not even worth the time of day...

Its kinda sad that you brought that up... its obviously got to you that the poll didn't side with wolverine, but fear not! only 40 socks for a win 😉..

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Your using a scan that says "one of us is going to die tonight"... Did someone die or are there other lies on that page>?

You will notice wolverine confesses that spider could beat him if he had killed him... He knows spider isn't the killing type, otherwise he would of been dead a page ago when he was being pummeled into uncle bens grave... its also saying spider could snap wolvies neck there and then...

I believe spiders had a few upgrades since then??? how many has wolvie had other then a better healing factor???

Which isn't even stated...

Originally posted by Creshosk
You would be if we were exagerating anything like you are. Unfortunatly the exageration game is entirely yours.

So you're attacking what you preceive us to be doing? That's also refered to as a strawman, which is much like the ad populem arguments. . invalid in debate as evidence.

I've exaggerated nothing.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I tried not to insult you... But you had to come back at me....
Its quite obvious you don't understand the words your trying to use.
So I'll wiki whore..(as is the trend around here 😉)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Notice Exceptions...

Arguments that can't be proved one way or the other obviously can't fall into the trap of 'ad populem' as nether side can be shown to be the side not falling on blind faith... Think about it cresh.. Come back when your done... I don't mind waiting along time either...

I don't like to point the finger at people for lame tactics; like socking to deceive the vote. Mainly cause if there points were soo concrete they wouldn't have to go to those lengths to secure a "win", and if they are socking there probably not even worth the time of day...

Its kinda sad that you brought that up... its obviously got to you that the poll didn't side with wolverine, but fear not! only 40 socks for a win 😉..

Too bad in debates like this you can prove one side or the other. Shows you don't understand debate at all and are sorely trying to cover your ass.

Because if you say that Spiderman wins you're already taken to a stance where one side can win. It's not like a taste in music where one person might like rap. 😆

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wolverine beats hulk jumps 50 feet in the air!!! blah blah blah, all the posters on this forum avoid you guys like a pink eye... Your reps suck to be blunt.

I've exaggerated nothing.

You also exagerated the outcome of the graveyard fight by saying that Wolverine admited that Spiderman would win.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
You will notice wolverine confesses that spider could beat him if he had killed him...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Your using a scan that says "one of us is going to die tonight"... Did someone die or are there other lies on that page>?

You will notice wolverine confesses that spider could beat him if he had killed him... He knows spider isn't the killing type, otherwise he would of been dead a page ago when he was being pummeled into uncle bens grave... its also saying spider could snap wolvies neck there and then...

I believe spiders had a few upgrades since then??? how many has wolvie had other then a better healing factor???

If that was anyone's lie it was Spiderman's.

Read it again, the reason he "lets" Wolverine off the gravestone is because he's getting nowhere and realizes he must KILL him to stop him. He can NOT kill Wolverine where he is so he "lets" Wolverine tackle him to the floor where Spiderman can "supposedly" kill him. However, Wolverine could have ENDED spiderman as he connects to his face before spiderman can get his hands around Wolverine's head.

As far as upgrades since then.. I don't know for sure. He might have become immortal as seen in Wolverine #176 😱 He may also still possess some of the powers left over from when he was Death... and yes it seems his healing factor is stronger

Originally posted by Creshosk

😆

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes you did right there again you exagerated, Jinzin NEVER said 50 feet, YOU exagerated that beyond what HE said.

You also exagerated the outcome of the graveyard fight by saying that Wolverine admited that Spiderman would win.

I'm not going to get in the monstrosities I've heard from the wolverine side recently...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Its not what jinzin said, its what I saw,

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and it was several stories. The rest was a figure of speech.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm not going to get in the monstrosities I've heard from the wolverine side recently...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Too bad in debates like this you can prove one side or the other. Shows you don't understand debate at all and are sorely trying to cover your ass.

Because if you say that spider-man wins you're already taken to a stance where one side can win. It's not like a taste in music where one person might like rap. 😆

😆 I don't understand how to debate??? lol... You don't even understand half the words your trying to use! (as I just proved....)

Both sides have tried (and failed) to prove that one side wins... Neither has succeeded... So its still opinion...(you following me?)
The only ass trying to be covered is your own. Until you can prove the outcome to a high level of accuracy (90%+) this argument isn't ad populum and your ass has been well and truly kicked...

I think spider will win the majority, but not all... That is my opinion...

I've said the poll shows spider-man takes it (On a democratic basis) and you've done everything in your power to prove that its wrong... I might accept a few peeps have socks and a few voted for the wrong reasons, but a 40 vote lead??? sorry but Justice has spoken....

Originally posted by scotsmn
Read it again, the reason he "lets" Wolverine off the gravestone is because he's getting nowhere and realizes he must KILL him to stop him. He can NOT kill Wolverine where he is so he "lets" Wolverine tackle him to the floor where Spiderman can "supposedly" kill him. However, Wolverine could have ENDED spiderman as he connects to his face before spiderman can get his hands around Wolverine's head.

As far as upgrades since then.. I don't know for sure. He might have become immortal as seen in Wolverine #176 😱 He may also still possess some of the powers left over from when he was Death... and yes it seems his healing factor is stronger

This fight assumes that bloodlust would be active... So spider would of done everything in his power to kill wolvie at that moment.. Not, I repeat NOT have a crisis of heart....

"so he "lets" Wolverine tackle him to the floor"
yup that sounds like something spider would do in a fight...
spider could of webbed up wolvie... punched him some more... kicked him some.... webbed him up.... punched him... teabagged him... webbed him.... made orogamie... anything... but he chose to stop fighting and let wolvie back into the fight, face it... the fights a sham... spiderman would not fight like that in bloodlust, he would of tried harder not debate wether or not to use leathal force.. Wolvie doesn't kill him as he realises spider didn't kill him when he had the chance...

😆 wolvies immortal.... hysterical

Cresh - What does that pic show?? I'll tell you what it shows and doesn't show! It shows wolvie lying... It doesn't show that spider tried to kill him..

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
😆 I don't understand how to debate??? lol... You don't even understand half the words your trying to use! (as I just proved....)

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Both sides have tried (and failed) to prove that one side wins... Neither has succeeded... So its still opinion...

But you insist on Spiderman winning. . Way to contradict yourself.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
(you following me?)
The only ass trying to be covered is your own.

Yeah you're not trying to cover your ass by discrediting me, but just winding up contradicting yourself.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Until you can prove the outcome to a high level of accuracy (90%+) this argument isn't ad populum

The argument of using the popular opinion. is very much ad populem.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
and your ass has been well and truly kicked...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I think spider will win the majority, but not all... That is my opinion...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I've said the poll shows spider-man takes it (On a democratic basis)

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
and you've done everything in your power to prove that its wrong...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I might accept a few peeps have socks

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
and a few voted for the wrong reasons, but a 40 vote lead??? sorry but Justice has spoken....

Spiderman. 😆

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
This fight assumes that bloodlust would be active... So spider would of done everything in his power to kill wolvie at that moment.. Not, I repeat NOT have a crisis of heart....

"so he "lets" Wolverine tackle him to the floor"
yup that sounds like something spider would do in a fight...
spider could of webbed up wolvie... punched him some more... kicked him some.... webbed him up.... punched him... teabagged him... webbed him.... made orogamie... anything... but he chose to stop fighting and let wolvie back into the fight, face it... the fights a sham... spiderman would not fight like that in bloodlust, he would of tried harder not debate wether or not to use leathal force.. Wolvie doesn't kill him as he realises spider didn't kill him when he had the chance...

😆 wolvies immortal.... hysterical

Cresh - What does that pic show?? I'll tell you what it shows and doesn't show! It shows wolvie lying... It doesn't show that spider tried to kill him..

LOL keep diggin cresh! your just providing a bigger plinf for you to fall off....

did you even look at the website I quoted???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum#Exceptions

"The Argumentum ad numerum only applies to objective criterion, such as the health effects of smoking. In areas of a subjective nature, such as fashion or music, it could be argued that the "authority of the many" or the "appeal to popularity" is a true reflection of the subjective desires of a population group."

This debate isn't fact... There is no proof that one will definatly beat the other... Only opinions of people....

Ass is still kicked cresh....

Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman couldn't break Wolverine's neck. Wolverine was lying about that. The picture is from a later encounter, one where spiderman was punching through Brick chimneys thinking that this was an imposter, he land a punch which with Spiderman's strength and how people beleive that Spiderman had the ability to kill Wolverine, failed.

That punch doesn't prove anything... If he got hit on the head I wouldn't expect him to die... just like normal humans won't die if they get hit on the side of the head...
Tell me...
How long can wolvie hold his breath??
Does wolvie die if hes upper cutted on the nose???
If his juggular is severed how long before he bleads to death???

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
LOL keep diggin cresh! your just providing a bigger plinf for you to fall off....

did you even look at the website I quoted???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum#Exceptions

"The Argumentum ad numerum only applies to objective criterion, such as the health effects of smoking. In areas of a subjective nature, such as fashion or music, it could be argued that the "authority of the many" or the "appeal to popularity" is a true reflection of the subjective desires of a population group."

This debate isn't fact... There is no proof that one will definatly beat the other... Only opinions of people....

Ass is still kicked cresh....

So why would you waste time trying to prove that your "music" is better than my "music"?

Oh yeah that's right there CAN be an outcome.

Keep grasping at that straw in an attempt to cover your ass on me calling you on an ad populem argument.

You obviously don't understand what an ad populem argument is because you keep attacking me.

So desperate to grasp onto anything that proves you right. 🙄

I guess this whole opinion is just useless opinion swapping. and it's just opinion that Galactus and Lobo could Beat Wolverine as well eh?

Because oh yeah, Polls dictated that Wolverine beat lobo. . . whaddya know? And Storm beat wonderwoman and Spiderman beat Superboy. . . Woohoo, fanbased voting rocks! 😆

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
That punch doesn't prove anything... If he got hit on the head I wouldn't expect him to die...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
just like normal humans won't die if they get hit on the side of the head...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Tell me...
How long can wolvie hold his breath??

That's how long he was crucified, and if you know about how crusifixition works. . .

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Does wolvie die if hes upper cutted on the nose???

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
If his juggular is severed how long before he bleads to death???

I feel sorry for you cresh...

Saying "my music is better then yours" isn't AP as 1 music can not be proved to be better then the other, So 1 side isn't being proved right cause of the masses....

Saying "Spiderman beats wolverine" isn't AP as 1 can not be shown to beat the other outright... If you can prove that wolverine will always beat spiderman for what ever reason then... and only then, will this become AP... My belief that spiderman wins has not been proved to be wrong.. Only speculated...

No AP here.... I have quoted why this isn't a AP argument... You haven't proved this is AP other then to say so...

This is Opinion swapping here... Neither side has been shown to dominated the other outright....

lobo cis/pis ❌ shame on you, for bringing that up... You must be really stretching if you need that to protect what little of your pride I haven't shattered....

Galactus has been shown to dominate wolverine outright... Its goes against all odds that wolvie would win there... wolvie winning there (cause of mass voting) would be AP

AP = ad populum (before you get confused)