Originally posted by cheldon
if wolverine wanted to try and fight the fancy way, he would do it, but thats not his thing due to his "Bite me ass hole" attitude. he is just as good of a fighter as captain america and batman. all the otheres u mentioned ARE more skilled than wolverine.going on a rage is to the best of logan's ability. when beserk he moves faster, more agile, better reflexes, adrenaline is off the charts, which will speed up the healing and make his cells regenerate faster, making it even longer for him to tire. his skill and knowledge does not change. he's the same only more powerful. it's kind of like when jak turns into dark jak on the video game jak 2.
spiderman has him in every category except durability, endurance, weapons, willpower and guts to kill. and it's not up to people whether he goes in rage or not. it's uncontrollable. the longer they fight, the closer he will get to beserk. spiderman will soon tire from all the dodging and give up. it will take a long time, but wolverine will out last. he's a survivor. he's been trained to do this. when he has a job, he gets it done. one way or the other.
We must be reading two different types of X-men comics. Everytime I've seen Wolverine go bezerker, he actually loses intelligence, skill, and common sense, but all his other attributes do increase, yes. I'd say they increase about two-fold, which is still REALLY incredible to do.
About the guts to kill. Since this is a hypothetical match, Spidey won't be throwing witty quips around, he will be out for the kill/KO/win just as much as Wolverine is.
Another thing. I've just determined that Spiderman is, at times, very delusional. Even to himself.
There is no way he wasn't holding back against Wolverine in the graveyard. For two reasons:
1. The tombstone didn't shatter after the initial punch to Wolverine's head against it. No matter how much Wolverine absorbs, the tombstone should've easily crumbled.
2. This:
Originally posted by MetalmanxWolverine kept trying to sit up, so some of the force of the blow was lost. . ..
Another thing. I've just determined that Spiderman is, at times, very delusional. Even to himself.There is no way he wasn't holding back against Wolverine in the graveyard. For two reasons:
1. The tombstone didn't shatter after the initial punch to Wolverine's head against it. No matter how much Wolverine absorbs, the tombstone should've easily crumbled.
2. This:
I wonder though you're discarding the scene for a *gasp* artistic expression. . . 😆
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine kept trying to sit up, so some of the force of the blow was lost. . ..I wonder though you're discarding the scene for a *gasp* artistic expression. . . 😆
Hm...? I'm not sure I folllow.
And not nearly enough force could've been lost, Cresh. You know how strong Spiderman is. That tombstone should've been dust after the first hit. And then atomized after the next few.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hm...? I'm not sure I folllow.And not nearly enough force could've been lost, Cresh. You know how strong Spiderman is. That tombstone should've been dust after the first hit. And then atomized after the next few.
Originally posted by MetalmanxAnd the tombstone is so important to the plot because . . why?
Hm...? I'm not sure I folllow.And not nearly enough force could've been lost, Cresh. You know how strong Spiderman is. That tombstone should've been dust after the first hit. And then atomized after the next few.
Spiderman is on top of wolverine punching him in tthe head. . . doubtful if he would have gone flying considering the angle of the punches and the flexability of the spine, the tombstone didn;t need to be there, Wolvie would just have had his head pounded into the ground. But the whole scene is PIS because the artist drew a tombstone. 🙄
Just like wolverinde can't endure the pain from having your face shot off because the artist drew eyes. . .
🙄
Originally posted by Creshosk
And the tombstone is so important to the plot because . . why?Spiderman is on top of wolverine punching him in tthe head. . . doubtful if he would have gone flying considering the angle of the punches and the flexability of the spine, the tombstone didn;t need to be there, Wolvie would just have had his head pounded into the ground. But the whole scene is PIS because the artist drew a tombstone. 🙄
Just like wolverinde can't endure the pain from having your face shot off because the artist drew eyes. . .
🙄
Oh, Cresh. I do believe you're twisting my words.
First the shotgun thing. All I was saying there was that his eyes should've been gone, and that's it's horribly wrong that they weren't shot out. I said nothing about him enduring pain, because, well, I know that he can.
Second. The tombstone. The reason it has significance here is because it shows how much Spiderman was holding back. Wolverine's head absorbing hits or not, the sheer force of Wolverine's head flying back into the tombstone would've demolished it had Spidey been hitting Wolvie anywhere near as hard as he could.
Again, Spiderman's strength when not holding back:
Originally posted by MetalmanxSpiderman was holding back because the artist drew in a tombstone, despite Spiderman saying that he was not holding back. 🙄Yeah, it's real vital to the story that the art overrides the writing. 🙄
Oh, Cresh. I do believe you're twisting my words.First the shotgun thing. All I was saying there was that his eyes should've been gone, and that's it's horribly wrong that they weren't shot out. I said nothing about him enduring pain, because, well, I know that he can.
Second. The tombstone. The reason it has significance here is because it shows how much Spiderman was holding back. Wolverine's head absorbing hits or not, the sheer force of Wolverine's head flying back into the tombstone would've demolished it had Spidey been hitting Wolvie anywhere near as hard as he could.
Again, Spiderman's strength when not holding back:
Someone is getting desperate. 😆
Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman was holding back because the artist drew in a tombstone, despite Spiderman saying that he was not holding back. 🙄Yeah, it's real vital to the story that the art overrides the writing. 🙄Someone is getting desperate. 😆
Ouch. Thought we were better than that, Cresh.
I think you're the one who might be getting a bit desperate and resorting to that kind of logic. You know the strength that Spiderman is capable of. And yet it's okay to let Wolverine just take his shots without any consequences whatsoever. He's been hurt by weaker. Not defeated, mind you. But hurt.
Originally posted by MetalmanxAnd he's taken hshots from stronger characters, and not even injured, pain yeah that is unavoidable.
Ouch. Thought we were better than that, Cresh.I think you're the one who might be getting a bit desperate and resorting to that kind of logic. You know the strength that Spiderman is capable of. And yet it's okay to let Wolverine just take his shots without any consequences whatsoever. He's been hurt by weaker. Not defeated, mind you. But hurt.
But not beaten either.
And hey it was your logic. "Spiderman was holding back because the artist drew in a tombstone."
If you're going to resrot to lowballing Wolverine why should I not lowball Spiderman and point out that he's been hit by slower characters than Wolverine?
Originally posted by sam_drugbringer
Unless Wolverine has just killed MJ, Spider-man was still holding back.
Exactly. Spiderman ALWAYS holds back against anyone weaker than him.
Against Venom? Not holding back.
Against Carnage? Not holding back.
Against Rhino? Not holding back.
Against The Lizard? Not holding back.
Against Scorpion? Not holding back.
Against Hulk? Holding back.
Now.
Against Doc Ock? Holding back.
Against Shocker? Holding back.
Against Kingpin (Still human, though ginormous)? Holding back.
Against Daredevil? Holding back.
Against Punisher? Holding back.
Against Kraven? Holding back.
Against Wolverine? Holding back.
Now, if any of these guys killed MJ in front of him, well...you get the picture.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
We must be reading two different types of X-men comics. Everytime I've seen Wolverine go bezerker, he actually loses intelligence, skill, and common sense, but all his other attributes do increase, yes. I'd say they increase about two-fold, which is still REALLY incredible to do.About the guts to kill. Since this is a hypothetical match, Spidey won't be throwing witty quips around, he will be out for the kill/KO/win just as much as Wolverine is.
in the weapon x story he was beserk and he still managed to use expert precision along with the same fighting styles and better agility. he doesn't need common sense. in this state, his whole mind is locked into the fight.
Originally posted by cheldon
in the weapon x story he was beserk and he still managed to use expert precision along with the same fighting styles and better agility. he doesn't need common sense. in this state, his whole mind is locked into the fight.
think about this: the army's most elite soldiers were in weapon x and these guys are expert fighters. he killed all of them in short time and that's like hundreds of them.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. Spiderman ALWAYS holds back against anyone weaker than him.Against Venom? Not holding back.
Against Carnage? Not holding back.
Against Rhino? Not holding back.
Against The Lizard? Not holding back.
Against Scorpion? Not holding back.
Against Hulk? Holding back.
Now.
Against Doc Ock? Holding back.
Against Shocker? Holding back.
Against Kingpin (Still human, though ginormous)? Holding back.
Against Daredevil? Holding back.
Against Punisher? Holding back.
Against Kraven? Holding back.
Against Wolverine? Holding back.
Now, if any of these guys killed MJ in front of him, well...you get the picture.
Yeah i'm going to take Spiderman's word for it this time. Since he also failed to knock wolverine out on any of their other confrontations and hell Giant sized X-Men #1 Wolverine gets hit full force by collosus and Wolverine was just fine.
So yeah. . . Spiderman says he wasn't holding back, and that fits Wolverine's character.