Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Please, you want to talk about consistency and choose when it suits you, spiderman holds back ALL the time, its his character, a great power is a great responsibility. He didn't attack from a distance or stay on a wall, it was all in wolverine's favor. Going by crossovers besides reasoning, and NONE of the crossovers suit the stipulations of the match...

wolverine said spiderman can break his neck and basically beat him, and spiderman said he was 40x faster than a person.

I'm taking their words for it... because it suits me....

look.. wolverine told parker he could break his neck, wolverine lied, and admited it later on when he apologized to spiderman about the whole escapade, second wolverine didn't know how his skeleton functioned. He seemed pretty surprised to find out if was bonded on a molecular level.

Again, he's been hit in the spine by a stealth bomber and no vertebre were displaced, he's been uppercut by hulk and his neck hasn't snapped back. The only reason he told parker his neck could be broken was to 1, end the fight and 2, because he didn't know how his skeleton worked.

spiderman claimed a lot of things in that anniversary issue that weren't entirely correct, like his take on spider sense was somewhat exaggerated. The thing is, without statistical evidence and scientific testing to assert he was 40 times faster than a human, how would he know? 40 times faster than a human would be waaaay faster than the eye could trace in a h2h fight, no peak humans seem to have a problem doing that where spiderman's concerned.

both examples are in direct contrast with multitudes of evidence and both have good reasoning for why the person saying them was misleading.

"I've given it everything I got" however. that's something that spiderman wasn't stating for his own or someone elses benefit. It WAS an example of something that he WOULD know for sure without needing to expirement.. (I would hope he would know something like that, what with all these claims that he's a genious and all). And finally it's NOT something in contrast with multitudes of evidence.. his punches HAVE ALWAYS been proven to be pretty much ineffective vs. wolverine.. hell even in secret wars wolverine was up the moment he hit the ground and seemed to be just dandy.

and we know, consistency is NEVER used by you cause it NEVER bodes well for the arguments you try to present.

hulk holds back his punches
spiderman lies to himself
street levels can punch wolvie out and that's the way it should be
wolverine can take spiderman punches
etc
etc
etc..

Oh yea and wolverine said he was no match for elecktra... do we agree on this since WOLVERINE said it himself?
I never said hulk holds back his punches, I said they very well couldn't be as hard as he hits, due to the fact that the main stars are alive, but tanks amongst other things are destroyed.

A plot device, I think so...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh yea and wolverine said he was no match for elecktra... do we agree on this since WOLVERINE said it himself?
I never said hulk holds back his punches, I said they very well couldn't be as hard as he hits, due to the fact that the main stars are alive, but tanks amongst other things are destroyed.

A plot device, I think so...

so you think hulk hitting wolverine with a tree that had the destructive force of a bomb was an instance where his punches weren't as hard as he could hit? in other words holding back?

pfffft

when did wolverine ever admit this?

Originally posted by jinzin
so you think hulk hitting wolverine with a tree that had the destructive force of a bomb was an instance where his punches weren't as hard as he could hit? in other words holding back?

pfffft

when did wolverine ever admit this?

He admitted it in the past issue of his OWN series. Elektra was getting beat by Gorgon, and wolverine said, "you are a world class ninja, if he did that to you, what chance do *I* have?"

that doesn't mean elektra's superior to him.. wolverine had an equally dangerous and skilled fighter on his side, gorgon took her out without even trying, wolverine got nervous it's understandable.. infact, the fact that wolverine went back after gorgon alone and lasted a good deal longer by comparison proves he's superior.

Originally posted by jinzin
that doesn't mean elektra's superior to him.. wolverine had an equally dangerous and skilled fighter on his side, gorgon took her out without even trying, wolverine got nervous it's understandable.. infact, the fact that wolverine went back after gorgon alone and lasted a good deal longer by comparison proves he's superior.

He only outlasted her because of his healing factor.

Not that I'm taking it away from him or anything, but he would really be nothing without it, in my opinion. It's what makes Wolverine, well, Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
that doesn't mean elektra's superior to him.. wolverine had an equally dangerous and skilled fighter on his side, gorgon took her out without even trying, wolverine got nervous it's understandable.. infact, the fact that wolverine went back after gorgon alone and lasted a good deal longer by comparison proves he's superior.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He only outlasted her because of his healing factor.

Not that I'm taking it away from him or anything, but he would really be nothing without it, in my opinion. It's what makes Wolverine, well, Wolverine.

and he was cutting up gorgon something fierce too... but the point is that c master thinks that that occurance equates to logan admitting he's no match for elektra which proved cresh's point on how he exaggerates things. if he can outlast her (even if it is due to a healing factor) than the whole "he's no match forher thing" doesn't really hold true does it?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't think he's inferior my point IS not to go by what a character says to suit you. Which is what creshosk did. I know elecktra would lose 7/10...

your example didn't fit your premise...

It fit it fine actually...

would wolverine survive having a mountain dropped on him???
if he did die would his bones still be in one piece or would they break?

His organs gone...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
would wolverine survive having a mountain dropped on him???
if he did die would his bones still be in one piece or would they break?

Yes, he would eventually die. His skeleton would apparently remain intact, but he would be dead.

Suffocation, no food, no water, crushed, organs won't get to reform because they're constantly being crushed...

Yea. Wolverine dies.

Originally posted by Creshosk
My objection to Secret wars was HOW he punked the X-men. . during that sequence only a few X-men appeared in more than one panel.

True

Originally posted by Creshosk
He neutirilized Nightcrawler's teleportation, Storm shot one measily bolt and gave up,

Untrue. storm didn't give up. All we see is her fire a bolt and spidey dodges and jumps up away from her............

Originally posted by Creshosk
and rouge was also neutrilized. . she could have broke the stupid girder but no she was webbed and gave up. Total PIS. . .

I agree that was a bit stupid on Rogues part. But (metal grider aside) if she can't break the webbing with what? something like 50 ton strength, theres no way logan can apply enough force to break webbing with his claws like in Marvel knights 13..............

Wolverine seems to neutralize spiderman's abilities quite often...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
would wolverine survive having a mountain dropped on him???
if he did die would his bones still be in one piece or would they break?

force of hulk punch>>>>mountain...

so presumably yes.. yeah I know hopw ridiculous that sounds so there's no need to mock me, but it's all in relation to the character...

if he died it would be due to suffocation, or lack of nurishment, somthing like that.. but not the impact of the mountain itself...

and it's already been clearly displayed multiple times that wolverine's skeleton is and would remain in one piece.

Well, if Wolverine gets this on his face, he will be in a world of pain, no doubt about it...

a rail-train?

I didn't know that was part of spiderman's arsenal... 😕

Sorry, my bad, I used a plot device lol 😉 I forgot they were fighting in the middle of the desert lol.

No heavy objects for you, Spidey !

lol.. well i mean we might as well give wolverine the x-men since that's something he fights with on a casual basis.. see where that logic faulters?