Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Creshosk
No you simply can't assume that those things will be there. Because they are not always there.

Why is it only Spiderman defenders come up with these things? I've never encountered other debators making assumptions about the environment. . .

Without stating a field of battle for the fighting...it wouldn't be stupid to assume Spiderman is in New York City fighting. He doesn't really leave the city all that often and his means of transportation are pretty limited.

Unless a helicopter is coviniently flying by of course...

Usually Spidey only leaves the Big Apple when he is tagging along with other super heroes.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Without stating a field of battle for the fighting...it wouldn't be stupid to assume Spiderman is in New York City fighting. He doesn't really leave the city all that often and his means of transportation are pretty limited.

Unless a helicopter is coviniently flying by of course...

Usually Spidey only leaves the Big Apple when he is tagging along with other super heroes.

The problem is you can really only deal with static variables. Things that are always there.

No, you can take it as a fact on the variables, and keep it in mind that it doesn't happen all the time.

Its HIGHLY likely that there will be an object, wall, water, or something to give him an advantage, than something that wouldn't. About 90%

Originally posted by Creshosk
No you simply can't assume that those things will be there. Because they are not always there.

Why is it only Spiderman defenders come up with these things? I've never encountered other debators making assumptions about the environment. . .

Man I got passion, but no real spirit or time...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, you can take it as a fact on the variables, and keep it in mind that it doesn't happen all the time.

Its HIGHLY likely that there will be an object, wall, water, or something to give him an advantage, than something that wouldn't. About 90%

So why assume that something will be there 90% when it has been there 0%?

How about that 50 ton adamantium tank? 😉

Yea, if we consider the places they can fight ( not underwater, space, or intense heat)

That leaves out insides of volcanoes, which leaves us places were spiderman has the advantage, he's much more versatile.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...How is backhanding Wolverine 30 feet away going to "wear Spiderman out"? Everytime Wolvie comes in for an attack, Spiderman can slap him away again.

Don't get wrong or anything. Cuz I know I get exhausted when I have to effortless slap an opponent away.

Or, wait. No I wouldn't. The one correct thing about the Secret Wars arc, was that scene where Spidey backhands Wolvie. That's exactly how this fight would occur if he was really trying and not joking around like he always does.

what's to guarantee that spiderman can even keep that up.. let alone do that to a wolverine when wolverine has a hostile level of animosity towards spidey?

hell what's to say that spiderman doesn't get his arm chopped off when he tries?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wow, way to REALLY twist my words there. I never said anything about injuring Wolverine that way. But what the hell can Wolverine do to further his victory in the fight if he's constantly being effortlessly swatted away?

cut off the hand that's attempting to swat at him... 😕

Originally posted by Creshosk
I still don't see how not giving him an advantage is the same as giving him a disadvantage.

Superheroes have powers that they may not get to use in every battle.

The only factors that should be included are factors that they DO use in every battle. Or would still be available to them in any situation regardless of local.

We can put them in an enclosed sewer if you want, then he can climb on the walls to his hearts content. But since walls are not part of EVERY environment why would we assume that they are part of the current given environment?How about if we put it in a dark jungle and Spiderman doesn't know where Wolverine is? That way Wolverine ccan use his keen animal senses, hey you wouldn't want to deny him use of his power would you? and hell trhere are palm trees for spiderman to climb in.

Does that sound fair?

seriously....

for instance in my matchup vs. long pig we were put out in an open field with rolling plains... I guess that's clearly not fair for me since venom has wall crawling abilities too eh?

maybe I should take this up with digi... 😂

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Without stating a field of battle for the fighting...it wouldn't be stupid to assume Spiderman is in New York City fighting. He doesn't really leave the city all that often and his means of transportation are pretty limited.

Unless a helicopter is coviniently flying by of course...

Usually Spidey only leaves the Big Apple when he is tagging along with other super heroes.

personally I always thought these matches were held in a stadium like environment unless otherwise stated.

Originally posted by jinzin
personally I always thought these matches were held in a stadium like environment unless otherwise stated.

Uh. . .

"Spiderman tears down the goal posts and starts beting that little hairball into the ground."

Actually. . .

"Spiderman throws a car at Wolverine!"

Wha. . .?

"Spiderman drowns Wolverine in the gatoraide."

Wait. . .

"Spiderman kills wolverine by strapping him to the railrod track and covering him in C-4 and dynamite."

Now you're.

"Spiderman jumps onto a 50 foot wall."

But its. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
"Spiderman jumps into the stands and starts throwing bleachers at Wolverine."

Uh. . .

"Spiderman tears down the goal posts and starts beting that little hairball into the ground."

Actually. . .

"Spiderman throws a car at Wolverine!"

Wha. . .?

"Spiderman drowns Wolverine in the gatoraide."

Wait. . .

"Spiderman kills wolverine by strapping him to the railrod track and covering him in C-4 and dynamite."

Now you're.

"Spiderman jumps onto a 50 foot wall."

But its. . .

😂

I meant colloseum style... if spidey goes off the battle field to grab stuff he loses right? I mean by spiderman fan standards anyways.. so he's pretty much forced into using his natural abilities and JUST his natural abilities.. 😄

Originally posted by jinzin
seriously....

for instance in my matchup vs. long pig we were put out in an open field with rolling plains... I guess that's clearly not fair for me since venom has wall crawling abilities too eh?

maybe I should take this up with digi... 😂

Originally posted by jinzin
😂

I meant colloseum style... if spidey goes off the battle field to grab stuff he loses right? I mean by spiderman fan standards anyways.. so he's pretty much forced into using his natural abilities and JUST his natural abilities.. 😄

"Hey the thread started didn't say that Spiderman doesn't have everything he needs, therefore he has everything he needs."

Originally posted by Creshosk
I know you meant that. Doesn't change them from using the "unspecified" part to their favor.

"Hey the thread started didn't say that Spiderman doesn't have everything he needs, therefore he has everything he needs."

fine.. than wolverine has the x-men since it's logical by their standards.. wolverine's been with the x-men more times than spiderman's been in an environment with high walls that are far apart or close together as he needs them, with passengerless cars in abundance, 2 feet deep water, and rail-train cars.

Originally posted by jinzin
fine.. than wolverine has the x-men since it's logical by their standards.. wolverine's been with the x-men more times than spiderman's been in an environment with high walls that are far apart or close together as he needs them, with passengerless cars in abundance, 2 feet deep water, and rail-train cars.

"We can't possibly have a fair fight! Wolverine appears in 8 running comics there fore he's overrated, and overhyped."

Spiderman also appears in about 8 running comics

"I know ain't it cool?"

than I would use the lack of specified details...

including chairs, latters etc etc to be considered "outside help" as well.. the same way they would in a wwe wrestling match...

Originally posted by jinzin
than I would use the lack of specified details...

including chairs, latters etc etc to be considered "outside help" as well.. the same way they would in a wwe wrestling match...

Yay for the Ad hoc argument. 🙄

The difference is when I insult a person, I'm just insulting them, when they insult a person its to discredit them. But they don't understand that. 😕

Wow we don't even need the spiderboys in here and we already know how the "debate" would go. 😆

*Sigh* you still asking people for proof cresh..why on earth would you ask someone for proof..just believe what they say duh.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
*Sigh* you still asking people for proof cresh..why on earth would you ask someone for proof..just believe what they say duh.

Yeah how dare I. . .