Originally posted by Melnorme\
Well, okay then. Because everything I've read on him so far has him in the neighborhood of Class 25.
I dont understand what so hard for u to believe this. he is stated to be almsot hulk strength in the hand books and in comics.
he is also fromt he same place thor is well actauly he believed to be.
Originally posted by Melnorme
#1 - I don't put much stock in handbooks of statistics.
#2 - That particular book makes no such reference to his strength as being "Class 75" or being able to lift 75 tons or anything of the sort.He's nowhere's near as strong as the Thing, or the Hulk, or anyone in that class. 'Nuff said.
first of ur a retard go read the dam thing.
it says rough-house is level 6 strength go look up what level 6 is.
Originally posted by Melnorme
How is that a strawman? Please be as specific as possible, because I'm pretty sure you're just throwing around terms to seem "in the know".
I had an original position which was that you were caught in the delimma of using feats as a standard of evidence but going by feats wolverine wins... if you're to ignore that than you're being subjective about how you use said feats...
you contorted my original position into something else that implied said position had ANYTHING to do with the poll... you purposfully changed the topic of the original argument I made because you were wrong. you strawmanned.. and now you can't even admit to it...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Are you sure you don't mean "ad populum"?
your attacking my error in spelling doesn't take away from the fact that an appeal towards popularity is not neccessarily an appeal towards the correct answer... nice way to attack the person presenting the argument rather than the argument itself though... ad hominem... 🙄
Originally posted by Melnormewhich is fine.. but when one considers the fact that I'm the one who has brought the most proof to the table of direct comparison it's rather hard to assert oneself a position of more authority in this thread than myself.. especially for one such as you, who isn't even aware of the official handbooks marvel produces...
Technically, I'm calling into question your implied position of being a higher authority than myself, or the other respondents in this thread.
Originally posted by Melnorme
This isn't an appeal to popularity,
than why did you bring up the poll to prove a point?
Originally posted by Melnorme
but instead noting that people who know comic book characters, and read comic books, and are thus authorities on the subject of at least equal value to yourself, disagree. Surely you can see that.
the poll makes this connection how again? oh that's right it doesn't. viewing the poll gives the viewer absolutely no idea as to how many comics and/or other information the voters have gathered to be well educated about the subject at hand, you're just assuming that they do.. which is a fallacy as an overwhelming majority who have given reasons for their voting simply stated spiderman is stronger and faster... but that's not enough to give someone a win in a comic book hero fight as your previous example of wolverine vs. hulk so well suggested...
... so why bring the poll into this? 🤨
that's exactly what you did and that's what made it an appeal towards popularity..
Originally posted by Melnormeonce again, if you want to bring up the poll... which you DID.. then my analogy is a great one... if you want to go by authority.. then you are absolutely correct.. well educated people knew the correct answer... but the majority of people where not as well educated... just like the majority of people need more education about certain things in this thread... thus the analogy stands STILL and the poll STILL isn't enough to claim victory...
Yes, but the Greeks knew the world was round. Scholarly folk knew the world was round. You don't need a boat to prove this. And again, since we're going on authority here and not merely a popularity contest, your analogy is a bad one.
Originally posted by Melnorme
#1 - I don't put much stock in handbooks of statistics.
#2 - That particular book makes no such reference to his strength as being "Class 75" or being able to lift 75 tons or anything of the sort.He's nowhere's near as strong as the Thing, or the Hulk, or anyone in that class. 'Nuff said.
feats dictate otherwise... lifting a c.a.t. which wieghs up to 30 tons empty with one arm over his head.. would certainly assert him to have a class 70 strength level...
Originally posted by Melnorme
Luck has nothing to do with my repeated quotes of your comparing Roughhouse's strength to Hulk's, and then your backpedalling when called on the subject. This is a trend that has continued up until this point. But please, feel free to continue to deny it. It's very amusing, considering the number of times you've been shown to be lying about the issue, and right in plain sight for any third party to bear witness to.
you lied about what conversation it was brought up in when I called you out on it you acted as if both comments were in conversations with hulk as the main subject and as I said before.. wolverine said it not me.. any third party can easily see how distorted your interpretation of events is just by reading half the crap you write.. this is no exception.
Originally posted by jinzin
you lied about what conversation it was brought up in when I called you out on it you acted as if both comments were in conversations with hulk as the main subject and as I said before.. wolverine said it not me.. any third party can easily see how distorted your interpretation of events is just by reading half the crap you write.. this is no exception.
so true hell he now saying sargent slaughter is strnoger and faster then wolverinr and would beat wolverines ass lol.
Originally posted by jinzin
I had an original position which was that you were caught in the delimma of using feats as a standard of evidence but going by feats wolverine wins... if you're to ignore that than you're being subjective about how you use said feats...
Which is in itself a false dilemma. But we don't have to get into the technicalities of it. Anyone with eyes can see that your logic is flawed, and your pretense of using proper terminology like "ad populem" (sic) is proof positive of this.
Originally posted by jinzin
you contorted my original position into something else that implied said position had ANYTHING to do with the poll... you purposfully changed the topic of the original argument I made because you were wrong. you strawmanned.. and now you can't even admit to it...
Originally posted by jinzin
your attacking my error in spelling doesn't take away from the fact that an appeal towards popularity is not neccessarily an appeal towards the correct answer... nice way to attack the person presenting the argument rather than the argument itself though... ad hominem...
Originally posted by jinzin
which is fine.. but when one considers the fact that I'm the one who has brought the most proof to the table of direct comparison it's rather hard to assert oneself a position of more authority in this thread than myself..
Originally posted by jinzin
especially for one such as you, who isn't even aware of the official handbooks marvel produces...
Originally posted by jinzin
than why did you bring up the poll to prove a point?
Originally posted by jinzin
the poll makes this connection how again? oh that's right it doesn't.
Originally posted by jinzin
viewing the poll gives the viewer absolutely no idea as to how many comics and/or other information the voters have gathered to be well educated about the subject at hand, you're just assuming that they do..
Originally posted by jinzin
which is a fallacy as an overwhelming majority who have given reasons for their voting simply stated spiderman is stronger and faster... but that's not enough to give someone a win in a comic book hero fight as your previous example of wolverine vs. hulk so well suggested...
Originally posted by jinzin
... so why bring the poll into this? 🤨
Originally posted by jinzin
once again, if you want to bring up the poll...
Originally posted by jinzin
which you DID.. then my analogy is a great one... if you want to go by authority.. then you are absolutely correct.. well educated people knew the correct answer... but the majority of people where not as well educated... just like the majority of people need more education about certain things in this thread... thus the analogy stands STILL and the poll STILL isn't enough to claim victory...
Originally posted by jinzin
you lied about what conversation it was brought up in when I called you out on it you acted as if both comments were in conversations with hulk as the main subject and as I said before.. wolverine said it not me.. any third party can easily see how distorted your interpretation of events is just by reading half the crap you write.. this is no exception.
The quotes were yours.
It was a comparison to the Hulk.
You're being disingenuous.
(Which is a nice way of calling you a liar).
Have a nice day! 😄
Wolverine wins
Originally posted by GCG
rawr